email from Mike Short 8.4.2006
One child of this m. is known - John William SMITH b. 1861/2 is living with Eliza’s grandparents in 1871 but there may be more children b. betw. 1849 and 1861
Cen. 1851 living Little Francis Street, Aston with husband - coach smith
Cen. 1861 no traceemail from Mike Short 22/8/06 has him named William Smith
Emma first appears in records m the 1841 census for Price Street in the district of St. Mary's. This census was taken in June 1841. I found this entry on 1841, Birmingham 4+, HO 107/1143 for House 2, Court 15, Price St. (Price Street seems to have run between Loveday St. and Lancaster Street more or less where St. Chad's Ringway now runs at the back of the Dental Hospital. St.Mary's Church was built as an annexe of St. Martin's from l779 onwards: elegant Georgian terraces once surrounded it. It became a Parish C'hurch in the 1830s but fell into decline and was eventually demolished. Price Street did not contain elegant Georgian houses but rather the smelly, insanitary courts ol back-to-back houses inhabited by the working classes of old Birmingham. In 1835 Price Street was on the northernmost edge of Birmingham.
1841, court 15, House 2. Price St.
William SHORT (Head), aged 40, Iron Caster, born Warwickshire
Mary Ann SHORT(Wife), aged 40 born outside the county.
Eliza SHORT (daughter), aged 15, born Warwickshire
Thomas SHORT (son), aged 15, born Warwickshire,
William SHORT(son), aged 10, born Warwickshire
Mary SHORT (daughter), aged 10, born Warwickshire
Emma SHORT (daughter), aged 6, born Warwickshire
James SHORT(son), aged 3, born Warwickshire
John SHORT (son), aged 1, born Warwickshireemail from Mike Short 8.4.2006
One child of this m. is known - John William SMITH b. 1861/2 is living with Eliza’s grandparents in 1871 but there may be more children b. betw. 1849 and 1861
Cen. 1851 living Little Francis Street, Aston with husband - coach smith
Cen. 1861 no trace1871 Cen. Eliza is with new husband and his children by previous marriage - her own child is with her parents. Second husband occupation is lawyer.
1881 census
9 Needham Street, Aston, Warwick, England
PRO RG11 Piece/Folio 3035/135 Page 30
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Frances William GREEN Head M Male 48 Birmingham, Warwick, England Carpenter
Eliza Stone GREEN Wife M Female 59 Birmingham, Warwick, England ((Carpenter))
Elena GREEN Daur U Female 21 Birmingham, Warwick, England Domestic Servant
John William GREEN Son U Male 19 Birmingham, Warwick, England Builders Clerk
Jane GREEN Daur U Female 18 Birmingham, Warwick, England Board School Teacher
1891 death of Eliza Stone SHORT reg GREEN Mar Q 1891 Aston 1891 Cen at ‘Abbottsford’ 119 Charles Road, is Eliza’s son by her first marriage, who is a widowe,r (his wife was Mary Ann ABBOTT) with his son. Also present is Eliza’s second husband Francis William GREEN, now a ‘pattern maker’ with his daughter by his first marriage, Jane GREEN - a certified elementary school teacher.
Emma first appears in records m the 1841 census for Price Street in the district of St. Mary's. This census was taken in June 1841. I found this entry on 1841, Birmingham 4+, HO 107/1143 for House 2, Court 15, Price St. (Price Street seems to have run between Loveday St. and Lancaster Street more or less where St. Chad's Ringway now runs at the back of the Dental Hospital. St.Mary's Church was built as an annexe of St. Martin's from l779 onwards: elegant Georgian terraces once surrounded it. It became a Parish C'hurch in the 1830s but fell into decline and was eventually demolished. Price Street did not contain elegant Georgian houses but rather the smelly, insanitary courts ol back-to-back houses inhabited by the working classes of old Birmingham. In 1835 Price Street was on the northernmost edge of Birmingham.
1841, court 15, House 2. Price St.
William SHORT (Head), aged 40, Iron Caster, born Warwickshire
Mary Ann SHORT(Wife), aged 40 born outside the county.
Eliza SHORT (daughter), aged 15, born Warwickshire
Thomas SHORT (son), aged 15, born Warwickshire,
William SHORT(son), aged 10, born Warwickshire
Mary SHORT (daughter), aged 10, born Warwickshire
Emma SHORT (daughter), aged 6, born Warwickshire
James SHORT(son), aged 3, born Warwickshire
John SHORT (son), aged 1, born WarwickshireNot far away lived Thomas SHORT at 44, Sheep St. (Ref: 2054/183/21)
44, Sheep St. (near Gosta Green)
Head, Thomas SHORT, aged 25 Iron Castor, born Birmingham, Warwickshire
Wife, Emily, aged 26, born Warwickshire, Birmingham.
Son, Alfred, aged 5, born Warwickshire, Birmingham
Daughter, Emily, aged 3, born Warwickshire, Birmingham
Son Thomas, aged 1, born Warwickshire, Birmingham
(Thomas and Emily seem to have got married about 1845 or 46).email Mike Short
1851 Cen. Living 44 Sheep Street, Aston, Birmingham with wife; children Alfred, Emily & Thomas; also wife’s sister, Betsy ALLBUTT b. 1828, dressmaker. Thomas’s occupation: Iron caster employing 3 pair hands1861 Cen. living 70 Legge Street, Aston, Birmingham with wife; children Alfred, Emily, Thomas, Jane, Mary Ann, Selina, Ellen, Drusilla Harriet; also present wife’s sister Betsy ALLBUTT now shown as house servant. Thomas’s occupation: Iron Founder
1871 Cen. Living at ‘Gothic Villas’ next to the Wesleyan Chapel on Kingsbury Road, Erdington, Aston, Birmingham with wife; children Jane, Mary Ann & Selina all three shown as Assistant in (family) business; children Ellen, Drusilla Harriet, Hannah & Alexander. Thomas’s Occupation: Iron founder
KF's 1881 census entry
Lee Tavern, Yardley, Worcester, England
PRO RG11 Piece/Folio 3083/38 Page 11
Name Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation
Thomas SHORT M Male 56 Bham, Warwick, England Inn Keeper
Emily SHORT M Female 57 Bham, Warwick, England
Hannah SHORT U Female 18 Bham, Warwick, England
Alexander SHORT U Male 16 Bham, Warwick, England1891 Cen. Thomas and wife back at Legge Street, Aston, but now at number 54; occupation: Iron Founder
Not far away lived Thomas SHORT at 44, Sheep St. (Ref: 2054/183/21)
44, Sheep St. (near Gosta Green)
Head, Thomas SHORT, aged 25 Iron Castor, born Birmingham, Warwickshire
Wife, Emily, aged 26, born Warwickshire, Birmingham.
Son, Alfred, aged 5, born Warwickshire, Birmingham
Daughter, Emily, aged 3, born Warwickshire, Birmingham
Son Thomas, aged 1, born Warwickshire, Birmingham
(Thomas and Emily seem to have got married about 1845 or 46).email from Virginia Stokes 28/12/2004 provided family name for Emily
email from Mike Short 8.4.2006 orig research from Virginia Stokes
1851 Cen. Living 44 Sheep Street, Aston, Birmingham with husband; children Alfred, Emily & Thomas; also sister, Betsy ALLBUTT b. 1828, dressmaker. Husband’s occupation: Iron caster employing 3 pair hands1861 Cen. living 70 Legge Street, Aston, Birmingham with husband; children Alfred, Emily, Thomas, Jane, Mary Ann, Selina, Ellen, Drusilla Harriet; also present Betsy ALLBUTT now shown as house servant. Husband’s occupation: Iron Founder
1871 Cen. Living at ‘Gothic Villas’ next to the Wesleyan Chapel on Kingsbury Road, Erdington, Aston, Birmingham with husband; children Jane, Mary Ann & Selina all three shown as Assistant in (family) business; children Ellen, Drusilla Harriet, Hannah & Alexander. Husband’s Occupation: Iron founder
KF's 1881 census entry
Lee Tavern, Yardley, Worcester, England
PRO RG11 Piece/Folio 3083/38 Page 11
Name Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation
Thomas SHORT M Male 56 Bham, Warwick, England Inn Keeper
Emily SHORT M Female 57 Bham, Warwick, England
Hannah SHORT U Female 18 Bham, Warwick, England
Alexander SHORT U Male 16 Bham, Warwick, England1891 Cen. Living at 45 Legge Street, Aston; husband’s occupation: Iron Founder
1851 census
Not far away lived Thomas SHORT at 44, Sheep St. (Ref: 2054/183/21)
44, Sheep St. (near Gosta Green)
Head, Thomas SHORT, aged 25 Iron Castor, born Birmingham, Warwickshire
Wife, Emily, aged 26, born Warwickshire, Birmingham.
Son, Alfred, aged 5, born Warwickshire, Birmingham
Daughter, Emily, aged 3, born Warwickshire, Birmingham
Son Thomas, aged 1, born Warwickshire, Birmingham
(Thomas and Emily seem to have got married about 1845 or 46).1861 Cen. living 70 Legge Street, Aston, Birmingham with parents
email Mike Short 8.4.2006 orig research Virginia STOKES, and others
1861 Cen. living 70 Legge Street, Aston, Birmingham with parents1871 Cen. Living with parents at ‘Gothic Villas’ next to the Wesleyan Chapel on Kingsbury Road, Erdington, Aston, Birmingham and shown as an assistant in the family business (Iron Foundry)
email Mike Short 8.4.2006 orig research Virginia STOKES, and others
1861 Cen. living 70 Legge Street, Aston, Birmingham with parents1871 Cen. Living with parents at ‘Gothic Villas’ next to the Wesleyan Chapel on Kingsbury Road, Erdington, Aston, Birmingham and shown as an assistant in the family business (Iron Foundry)
email Mike Short 8.4.2006 orig research Virginia STOKES, and others
1871 Cen. Living with parents at ‘Gothic Villas’ next to the Wesleyan Chapel on Kingsbury Road, Erdington, Aston, BirminghamKF's 1881 census
Lee Tavern, Yardley, Worcester, England
PRO RG11 Piece/Folio 3083/38 Page 11
Name Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation
Thomas SHORT M Male 56 Bham, Warwick, England Inn Keeper
Emily SHORT M Female 57 Bham, Warwick, England
Hannah SHORT U Female 18 Bham, Warwick, England
Alexander SHORT U Male 16 Bham, Warwick, England
email Mike Short 8.4.2006 orig research Virginia STOKES, and others
1861 Cen. living 70 Legge Street, Aston, Birmingham with parents1871 Cen. Living with parents at ‘Gothic Villas’ next to the Wesleyan Chapel on Kingsbury Road, Erdington, Aston, Birmingham
email from Virginia Stokes 28/12/2004
provided middle name
Alfred had a tinning business in Birmingham and acted in and produced amateur theatrical shows. He went to Belgium with one of his shows and fell off his bicycle while riding a tight rope. He married Agnes Emily White and had 9 children. He died in 1911 aged 65.1851 census
Not far away lived Thomas SHORT at 44, Sheep St. (Ref: 2054/183/21)
44, Sheep St. (near Gosta Green)
Head, Thomas SHORT, aged 25 Iron Castor, born Birmingham, Warwickshire
Wife, Emily, aged 26, born Warwickshire, Birmingham.
Son, Alfred, aged 5, born Warwickshire, Birmingham
Daughter, Emily, aged 3, born Warwickshire, Birmingham
Son Thomas, aged 1, born Warwickshire, Birmingham
(Thomas and Emily seem to have got married about 1845 or 46).email Mike Short 8.4.2006 orig research Virginia STOKES, and others
1861 Cen. living 70 Legge Street, Aston, Birmingham with parents1871 Cen. Living Front House, Allesley Street with wife and children Harry J & Francis Thomas (Frank). Occupation: Tinner
KF's 1881 census details
1881 census
89 Clifton Rd, Aston, Warwick, England
PRO Ref RG11 Piece/Folio 3043/81 Page 10
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Alfred SHORT Head M Male 35 B'Ham, Warwick, England Tinner
Agnes SHORT Wife M Female 34 Gloucester, Gloucester, England
Harry SHORT Son Male 12 Aston, Warwick, England Scholar
Frank SHORT Son Male 10 B'Ham, Warwick, England Scholar
Ada SHORT Daur Female 8 Aston, Warwick, England Scholar
Lillian SHORT Daur Female 6 Aston, Warwick, England Scholar
Clara SHORT Daur Female 3 Aston, Warwick, England
Agnes SHORT Daur Female 1 Aston, Warwick, England1891 Cen. Living Upper Sutton St, Aston Manor with wife; children Harry J - tinner, Francis Thomas (Frank) - Tinner, Ada Emily - Warehouse girl, Lilian Harriet - Silver Burnisher, Clara Margaret, Agnes ?Florence?, Alfred Dudley & Elsie May
1901 Cen. Living 119 Leonard Road, Handsworth with wife; children Alfred Dudley - Solicitor’s clerk, Elsie May - Clerk ….., & Constance Mary
email from Virginia Stokes 28/12/2004
He married Agnes Emily White and had 9 children.email from Mike Short 8.4.2006
1871 Cen. Living Front House, Allesley Street with husband and children Harry J & Francis Thomas (Frank). Husband’s ccupation: TinnerKF 1881 census
89 Clifton Rd, Aston, Warwick, England
PRO Ref RG11 Piece/Folio 3043/81 Page 10
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Alfred SHORT Head M Male 35 B'Ham, Warwick, England Tinner
Agnes SHORT Wife M Female 34 Gloucester, Gloucester, England
Harry SHORT Son Male 12 Aston, Warwick, England Scholar
Frank SHORT Son Male 10 B'Ham, Warwick, England Scholar
Ada SHORT Daur Female 8 Aston, Warwick, England Scholar
Lillian SHORT Daur Female 6 Aston, Warwick, England Scholar
Clara SHORT Daur Female 3 Aston, Warwick, England
Agnes SHORT Daur Female 1 Aston, Warwick, Englandemail from Mike Short 8.4.2006
1891 Cen. Living Upper Sutton St, Aston Manor with husband - self-employed tinner & founder; children Harry J - tinner, Francis Thomas (Frank) - Tinner, Ada Emily - Warehouse girl, Lilian Harriet - Silver Burnisher, Clara Margaret, Agnes Florence, Alfred Dudley & Elsie May
1901 Cen. Living 119 Leonard Road, Handsworth with husband; children Alfred Dudley - Solicitor’s clerk, Elsie May - Clerk ….., & Constance Mary
10 May 1911 death of Alfred Joseph bur. Handsworth New Cemy
email Mike Short 8.4.2006 orig research Virginia STOKES, and others
1851 Cen. Living 44 Sheep Street, Aston, Birmingham with parents1861 Cen. living 70 Legge Street, Aston, Birmingham with parents
1871 Cen. Living 28 Digby Street, Birmingham St Mary with wife. Occupation: Caster
KF's 1881 census
112 Steelhouse Lane, Birmingham, Warwick, England
PRO Ref RG11 Piece/Folio 3000/83 Page 21
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Thomas SHORT Head M Male 30 Birmingham Licenced Victualer
Eliza SHORT Wife M Female 28 Hatfield, Hereford, England
Anny Elizth. SHORT Daur U Female 9 Birmingham Scholar
Nellie SHORT Daur U Female 7 Birmingham Scholar
Thomas SHORT Son U Male 4 Birmingham Scholar
Emily A. SHORT Daur U Female 2 Birmingham1891 Cen. Living at ‘The Bull’s Head’ public house, 110 Moland Street, Birmingham St, Mary with wife; children Amy Elizabeth - Barmaid, Nellie - Pen ?slitter?, Thomas H - Cabinet Maker & Emily A.
1901 Cen. Thomas & wife Eliza have moved in with daughter Amy Elizabeth who has married Thomas BULLOCK b. 1864/5, a Chair Finisher, and their son Thomas. In the house next door to The Bulls Head, number 115, Thomas SHORT (sen) is back to his original occupation of Iron Caster. Meanwhile, his son Thomas H and daughter Emily A are next door managing the pub.
email from Mike Short 8.4.2006
1871 Cen. Living 28 Digby Street, Birmingham St Mary with husband - CasterKF's 1881 census
112 Steelhouse Lane, Birmingham, Warwick, England
PRO Ref RG11 Piece/Folio 3000/83 Page 21
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Thomas SHORT Head M Male 30 Birmingham Licenced Victualer
Eliza SHORT Wife M Female 28 Hatfield, Hereford, England
Anny Elizth. SHORT Daur U Female 9 Birmingham Scholar
Nellie SHORT Daur U Female 7 Birmingham Scholar
Thomas SHORT Son U Male 4 Birmingham Scholar
Emily A. SHORT Daur U Female 2 Birminghamemail from Mike Short 8.4.2006
1891 Cen. Living at ‘The Bull’s Head’ public house, 110 Moland Street, Birmingham St, Mary with husband; children Amy Elizabeth - Barmaid, Nellie - Pen ?slitter?, Thomas H - Cabinet Maker & Emily A.1901 Cen. Eliza and husband- iron caster, have moved in with daughter Amy Elizabeth who has married Thomas BULLOCK b. 1864/5, a Chair Finisher, and their son Thomas. In the house next door to The Bulls Head, number 115. Meanwhile, son Thomas H and daughter Emily A are next door managing the pub.
KF's 1881 census
112 Steelhouse Lane, Birmingham, Warwick, England
PRO Ref RG11 Piece/Folio 3000/83 Page 21
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Thomas SHORT Head M Male 30 Birmingham Licenced Victualer
Eliza SHORT Wife M Female 28 Hatfield, Hereford, England
Anny Elizth. SHORT Daur U Female 9 Birmingham Scholar
Nellie SHORT Daur U Female 7 Birmingham Scholar
Thomas SHORT Son U Male 4 Birmingham Scholar
Emily A. SHORT Daur U Female 2 Birminghamemail Mike Short 8.4.2006
1891 Cen. Living at ‘The Bull’s Head’ public house, 110 Moland Street, Birmingham St. Mary parish with parents. Occupation: cabinet Maker1901 Cen. Living at ‘The Bull’s Head’ public house, 110 Moland Street, Birmingham St. Mary parish. Running the pub with his sister Emily. Parents have moved to next door at 115 Moland Street with sister Amy Elizabeth - now married.
KF's 1881 census
112 Steelhouse Lane, Birmingham, Warwick, England
PRO Ref RG11 Piece/Folio 3000/83 Page 21
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Thomas SHORT Head M Male 30 Birmingham Licenced Victualer
Eliza SHORT Wife M Female 28 Hatfield, Hereford, England
Anny Elizth. SHORT Daur U Female 9 Birmingham Scholar
Nellie SHORT Daur U Female 7 Birmingham Scholar
Thomas SHORT Son U Male 4 Birmingham Scholar
Emily A. SHORT Daur U Female 2 Birminghamemail Mike Short 8.4.2006
1891 Cen. Living at ‘The Bull’s Head’ public house, 110 Moland Street, Birmingham St. Mary parish with parents.
1901 Cen. Living at ‘The Bull’s Head’ public house, 110 Moland Street, Birmingham St. Mary parish. Running the pub with her brother Thomas H. Parents have moved to next door at 115 Moland Street with sister Amy Elizabeth - now married
1881 census
31 Edgcumbe St, East Stonehouse, Devon, England
PRO RG11 Piece/Folio 2203/80 Page 67
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Samuel HEALE Head M Male 28 Inwardleigh, Devon, England Butcher & Poulterer
Ellen HEALE Wife M Female 27 Inwardleigh, Devon, England
William HEALE Son Male 2 East Stonehouse, Devon, England
Albert HEALE Son Male 9 m East Stonehouse, Devon, England
James HEALE Visitor U Male 18 Inwardleigh, Devon, England Farmers Son
1881 census
31 Edgcumbe St, East Stonehouse, Devon, England
PRO RG11 Piece/Folio 2203/80 Page 67
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Samuel HEALE Head M Male 28 Inwardleigh, Devon, England Butcher & Poulterer
Ellen HEALE Wife M Female 27 Inwardleigh, Devon, England
William HEALE Son Male 2 East Stonehouse, Devon, England
Albert HEALE Son Male 9 m East Stonehouse, Devon, England
James HEALE Visitor U Male 18 Inwardleigh, Devon, England Farmers Son