Details also taken from www.myforefathers.co.uk - site by Kerry Frater
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1851 Cen. Living Bordesley Park, Aston with ptnr. later wife 2.10BS Eliza BEDDISON or BEEDESON; children prob by first wife, Ann b. 1839/40 & Hannah b. 1841: child by ptnr/second wife, SH2.10BS Nathaniel Beddison SHORT b. abt. Jun 1850. Note did not m. Eliza until 1852. Occupation of Nathaniel (sen): Malleable Iron Caster. Large gap between b. of Hannah and Nathaniel may indicate earlier marriage (to check 1841 cen.)
m. 22 Feb 1852 St Martin, Birmingham Eliza BEDDISON or BEEDESON b. 1821/2 Birmingham
1861 Cen. Lodging -----Place, West Street, Doncaster, Yorkshire (former West Riding), widower, occupation: Moulder 1869 death of Nathaniel
email from Mike Short shows 1851 census of Nathaniel & Eliza living together. Two children An and Hannah are presumably from earlier marriage.
1851 Cen. Living Bordesley Park, Deritend & Bordesley, Aston with father, and his ptnr. later wife 2.10BS Eliza BEDDISON or BEEDESON; sister Hannah, and Nathaniel Beddison SHORT prob. half brother
1851 Cen. Living Bordesley Park, Deritend & Bordesley, Aston with father, and his ptnr. later wife 2.10BS Eliza BEDDISON or BEEDESON; sister Ann, and Nathaniel Beddison SHORT prob. half brother
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1851 Cen. Living Bordesley Park, Aston with ptnr. later wife 2.10BS Eliza BEDDISON or BEEDESON; children prob by first wife, Ann b. 1839/40 & Hannah b. 1841: child by ptnr/second wife, SH2.10BS Nathaniel Beddison SHORT b. abt. Jun 1850. Note did not m. Eliza until 1852. Occupation of Nathaniel (sen): Malleable Iron Caster. Large gap between b. of Hannah and Nathaniel may indicate earlier marriage (to check 1841 cen.)
m. 22 Feb 1852 St Martin, Birmingham Eliza BEDDISON or BEEDESON b. 1821/2 Birmingham
1861 Cen. Lodging -----Place, West Street, Doncaster, Yorkshire (former West Riding), widower, occupation: Moulder 1869 death of Nathaniel
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1851 Cen. Living Bordesley Park, Deritend & Bordesley, Aston with ptnr/future husband Nathaniel SHORT b. 29 Nov 1818, Birmingham; two children, Ann & Hannah prob. by his first m.;& child Nathaniel Beddison SHORT.
1851 Cen. Living Bordesley Park, Deritend & Bordesley, Aston with father, and his ptnr. later wife 2.10BS Eliza BEDDISON or BEEDESON; sister Hannah, and Nathaniel Beddison SHORT prob. half brother
1851 Cen. Living Bordesley Park, Deritend & Bordesley, Aston with father, and his ptnr. later wife 2.10BS Eliza BEDDISON or BEEDESON; sister Ann, and Nathaniel Beddison SHORT prob. half brother
1851 Cen. Living Bordesley Park, Deritend & Bordesley, Aston with parents; Ann & Hannah SHORT, prob. half sisters.
d. prob. 1852 (BMD entry Q Mar 1850)
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One child of parents m. is known - John William SMITH b. 1861/2 is living with Eliza’s grandparents in 1871 but there may be more children b. betw. 1849 and 18611871 Cen. With grandparents at 364 Nechells Park, Duddeston & Nechells, Birmingham
1881 census
9 Needham Street, Aston, Warwick, England
PRO RG11 Piece/Folio 3035/135 Page 30
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Frances William GREEN Head M Male 48 Birmingham, Warwick, England Carpenter
Eliza Stone GREEN Wife M Female 59 Birmingham, Warwick, England ((Carpenter))
Elena GREEN Daur U Female 21 Birmingham, Warwick, England Domestic Servant
John William GREEN Son U Male 19 Birmingham, Warwick, England Builders Clerk
Jane GREEN Daur U Female 18 Birmingham, Warwick, England Board School Teacherm(1) 1882 Jun Q Aston,Mary Ann ABBOTT. Note: It is just possible that this is his first cousin b. 29 Dec 1859, daughter of his mother’s sister, Mary Ann SHORT & Joseph ABBOTT. Researchers interested in these branches may wish to obtain m. cert.
1891 Cen living ‘Abbottsford’ 119 Charles Road, Bordesley, Aston with son SH5.1A.1A.1A.1 John F SMITH b. 1886/7, his mother’s second husband, Francis William GREEN - pattern maker; and his daughter by first marriage, Jane GREEN - certified elementary school teacher.
1901 Cen. Living 16 Charles Road, Aston (St Oswalds Ward) - occupation Builder & Contractor (Employer), with wife; children Ewart Dempster SMITH b. 1894 Birmingham & Minette Louise SMITH b. 1899 Birmingham
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m(1) 1882 Jun Q Aston, Mary Ann ABBOTT. Note: It is just possible that this is his first cousin b. 29 Dec 1859, daughter of his mother’s sister, Mary Ann SHORT & Joseph ABBOTT. Researchers interested in these branches may wish to obtain m. cert.
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One child of parents m. is known - John William SMITH b. 1861/2 is living with Eliza’s grandparents in 1871 but there may be more children b. betw. 1849 and 18611871 Cen. With grandparents at 364 Nechells Park, Duddeston & Nechells, Birmingham
1881 census
9 Needham Street, Aston, Warwick, England
PRO RG11 Piece/Folio 3035/135 Page 30
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Frances William GREEN Head M Male 48 Birmingham, Warwick, England Carpenter
Eliza Stone GREEN Wife M Female 59 Birmingham, Warwick, England ((Carpenter))
Elena GREEN Daur U Female 21 Birmingham, Warwick, England Domestic Servant
John William GREEN Son U Male 19 Birmingham, Warwick, England Builders Clerk
Jane GREEN Daur U Female 18 Birmingham, Warwick, England Board School Teacherm(1) 1882 Jun Q Aston,Mary Ann ABBOTT. Note: It is just possible that this is his first cousin b. 29 Dec 1859, daughter of his mother’s sister, Mary Ann SHORT & Joseph ABBOTT. Researchers interested in these branches may wish to obtain m. cert.
1891 Cen living ‘Abbottsford’ 119 Charles Road, Bordesley, Aston with son SH5.1A.1A.1A.1 John F SMITH b. 1886/7, his mother’s second husband, Francis William GREEN - pattern maker; and his daughter by first marriage, Jane GREEN - certified elementary school teacher.
1901 Cen. Living 16 Charles Road, Aston (St Oswalds Ward) - occupation Builder & Contractor (Employer), with wife; children Ewart Dempster SMITH b. 1894 Birmingham & Minette Louise SMITH b. 1899 Birmingham
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Rachel Selway - www.selway.info
1881 census from the site
Source Information: Dwelling Main Road Census Place Belton, Lincoln, England Family History Library Film Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 3234 / 32 Page Number 4
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Thomas WORTLEY Head M Male 41 Londonthorpe, Lincoln, England Carpenter
Mary WORTLEY Wife M Female 41 Walkeringham, Nottingham, England
Ann W. WORTLEY Daughter U Female 13 Manthorpe, Lincoln, England
John WORTLEY Son U Male 11 Manthorpe, Lincoln, England Scholar
George WORTLEY Son U Male 9 Manthorpe, Lincoln, England Scholar
Ruth WORTLEY Daughter U Female 7 Manthorpe, Lincoln, England Scholar
Kate WORTLEY Daughter U Female 5 Manthorpe, Lincoln, England Scholar
Richard WORTLEY Son U Male 3 Manthorpe, Lincoln, England
Arther WORTLEY Son U Male 2 Belton, Lincoln, England
Charles WORTLEY Son U Male 1
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1871 Cen. Living with parents at ‘Gothic Villas’ next to the Wesleyan Chapel on Kingsbury Road, Erdington, Aston, BirminghamKF's 1881 census entry
Lee Tavern, Yardley, Worcester, England
PRO RG11 Piece/Folio 3083/38 Page 11
Name Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation
Thomas SHORT M Male 56 Bham, Warwick, England Inn Keeper
Emily SHORT M Female 57 Bham, Warwick, England
Hannah SHORT U Female 18 Bham, Warwick, England
Alexander SHORT U Male 16 Bham, Warwick, England1891 1901
Alexander SHORT 27 Manager B’ham Alfred SHORT 36 Iron Caster B’ham
Mary Ann SHORT 25 Coleshill Mary Ann SHORT 34 Coleshill
Alexander SHORT 7 Yardley Alexander SHORT 18 Iron Caster Yardley
Fanny L SHORT 7 B’ham Hannah SHORT 16 Sorter Iron Cast. B’ham
Margarette SHORT 3 B’ham Gertrude SHORT 14 B’ham
Howard V SHORT 1 B’ham Sydney SHORT 12 B’ham
1891 All above clearly Thomas SHORT 10 B’ham
SHORT but transcribed Mary A SHORT 7 B’ham
as THORP on Ancestry Minnie SHORT 7 B’hamThe places of birth of Mary Ann & Alexander are the same. The 1901 family cannot be found in this form in any other census. There is no known Alfred SHORT b. around 1864/5. Missing sections from free BMD causes problems with identification. Crucially, freeBMD records b. Mar Q 1898 Sidney Howard V SHORT. These must be the same families, but why the big differences? An enumerator at the end of a bad night? Hannah Lydia SHORT b. Aston Mar Q 1885 may be both Hannah and Fanny L. Margaret Gertrude b. Dec Q 1886 Aston (Acton on Free BMD) must be both Margarette & Gertrude. Thomas could be the Frederick Thomas b. reg. Dec Q 1890. Mary Ann may be the one b. reg. Sep Q 1893. Minnie is likely to be Minnie Beatrice b. reg. Mar Q 1896 - thus 4 years old at 1901 Cen, not 7.
Children will be temp. rec. (pending 1911 cen. published 2011/2) as follows:
Alexander SHORT b. 1882/3 Yardley
Hannah Lydia (or Fanny L) SHORT b.1885/6 Aston, Birmingham
Margaret Gertrude SHORT b. 1886 Aston, Birmingham
Sidney Howard V SHORT b. 1887/8 Aston, Birmingham
Thomas (or ?Frederick Thomas?) SHORT b. 1890/91 Birmingham
Mary A SHORT b. 1893-95 Birmingham
Minnie (?Minnie Beatrice?) SHORT b. abt. 1896 Birmingham
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1861 Cen. Living ----- John Street, Duddeston & Nechells, Aston with parents
1871 Cen. Living 123 Cattell Road, Bordsley, Aston with parents. Occupation: Pearl Button FinisherKF's 1881 census
115 Cattell Rd, Aston, Warwick, England
PRO RG11 Piece/Folio 3023/101 Page 9
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Joseph ABBOTT Head M Male 50 Birmingham, Warwick, England Pearl Button Maker
Mary Ann ABBOTT Wife M Female 52 Birmingham, Warwick, England
Emma ABBOTT Dau U Female 29 Birmingham, Warwick, England
Florence ABBOTT Dau Female 14 Birmingham, Warwick, England
Albert J. ABBOTT Son Male 12 Birmingham, Warwick, England Scholar
Eliza ABBOTT Dau Female 7 Birmingham, Warwick, England Scholar1891. Cen. Living at 17 Abbey Street, Rhuddlan, Rhyl, Flintshire, Wales with daughter, parents, brother Albert Joseph.
1901 not traced
1881 census
115 Cattell Rd, Aston, Warwick, England
PRO RG11 Piece/Folio 3023/101 Page 9
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Joseph ABBOTT Head M Male 50 Birmingham, Warwick, England Pearl Button Maker
Mary Ann ABBOTT Wife M Female 52 Birmingham, Warwick, England
Emma ABBOTT Dau U Female 29 Birmingham, Warwick, England
Florence ABBOTT Dau Female 14 Birmingham, Warwick, England
Albert J. ABBOTT Son Male 12 Birmingham, Warwick, England Scholar
Eliza ABBOTT Dau Female 7 Birmingham, Warwick, England ScholarThere is 7 year old Eliza b. Birmingham who is described ‘daughter’ but is almost certainly the child of unmarried daughter Emma
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1871 Cen. Living 123 Cattell Road, Bordsley, Aston with parents
KF's 1881 census
115 Cattell Rd, Aston, Warwick, England
PRO RG11 Piece/Folio 3023/101 Page 9
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Joseph ABBOTT Head M Male 50 Birmingham, Warwick, England Pearl Button Maker
Mary Ann ABBOTT Wife M Female 52 Birmingham, Warwick, England
Emma ABBOTT Dau U Female 29 Birmingham, Warwick, England
Florence ABBOTT Dau Female 14 Birmingham, Warwick, England
Albert J. ABBOTT Son Male 12 Birmingham, Warwick, England Scholar
Eliza ABBOTT Dau Female 7 Birmingham, Warwick, England Scholar1891. Cen. Living at 17 Abbey Street, Rhuddlan, Rhyl, Flintshire, Wales with parents who run a lodging house; also present sister Emma and her daughter. Occupation of Albert Joseph - hairdresser
1901 Cen. living 5 ?Water? Street, Rhyl, Flinshire, Wales with wife. Occupation: self-employed hairdresser.
Possibly related to Mary Ann MARSHALL who m. William SHORT grandfather of James Dempster SHORT?