1851 census
HO 107/1507 Pg 49
St George Bloomsbury Finsbury
Schedule 251
James Frater Head Mar 31 Printer Compositor Scotland
Sarah A Frater Wife Mar 23 - Knightsbridge, Middlesex
James J Frater Son - 4 - St Andrews, Holborn, Middlesex
Edward Frater Son - 3 - Islington, Middlesex
Frederick Frater Son - 1 Islington, Middlesex1861 census
Pentonville District 7 Clerkenwell St James Middlesex
RG 9/196 Page 65
Schedule 389 29 North Avenue
James FRATER Head M 41 Compositor Scotland
Sarah FRATER Wife M 33 - *, Middlesex
James FRATER Son S 15 French Polisher St Andrews, Holborn, Middlesex
Edward FRATER Son S 13 French Polisher Islington, Middlesex
Frederick FRATER Son S 11 Scholar Islington, Middlesex
Oliver FRATER Son S 9 Scholar Bloomsbury, Middlesex
Harry FRATER Son S 7 Scholar St Andrews, Holborn, Middlesex
Eliza FRATER daur S 5 - St Mary, Islington, Middlesex
William FRATER Son S 2 Scholar St Pancras, Islington, Middlesex
Arthur FRATER Son S 1 Scholar Clerkenwell, Middlesexpresuming this is entry from 1881 census
26 Caroline Street
Census Place: St Pancras, London, Middlesex, England Source: FHL Film 1341045 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0207 Folio 73 Page 48 Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Edward FRATER M 33 M Islington, Middlesex, England Rel: Head Occ: French Polisher
Mary H. FRATER M 36 F Berkshire, England Rel: Wife
Edmund W. FRATER 13 M St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Son Occ: Errand Boy
Annie M. FRATER 10 F St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar
Henry J. FRATER 6 M St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar
Frederick C. FRATER 1 M St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Son
Frank E. SMITH U 18 M Dulwich Rel: Son Occ: Printer
Louisa C. SMITH U 17 F St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Daur Occ: Shell Box Maker
Walter H. SMITH 14 M Stockport Rel: Son Occ: Printerbased on correspondence from Leicester Frater of NZ the following details were added
b 184828 Aug 2003
Received a letter from Conrad Frater with copy of tree produced by his father Edward C Frater.
presuming this is entry from 1881 census
26 Caroline Street
Census Place: St Pancras, London, Middlesex, England Source: FHL Film 1341045 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0207 Folio 73 Page 48 Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Edward FRATER M 33 M Islington, Middlesex, England Rel: Head Occ: French Polisher
Mary H. FRATER M 36 F Berkshire, England Rel: Wife
Edmund W. FRATER 13 M St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Son Occ: Errand Boy
Annie M. FRATER 10 F St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar
Henry J. FRATER 6 M St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar
Frederick C. FRATER 1 M St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Son
Frank E. SMITH U 18 M Dulwich Rel: Son Occ: Printer
Louisa C. SMITH U 17 F St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Daur Occ: Shell Box Maker
Walter H. SMITH 14 M Stockport Rel: Son Occ: Printer
LDS 1881 census shows Edmund W as name. No Edmund is shown in this area within reasonable dates. There is an Edward William which matches. Presume Edmund is mis-transcribed.
Birth Index ref:
Frater Edward William B 1867 Dec Pancras 1b 10026 Caroline Street
Census Place: St Pancras, London, Middlesex, England Source: FHL Film 1341045 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0207 Folio 73 Page 48 Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Edward FRATER M 33 M Islington, Middlesex, England Rel: Head Occ: French Polisher
Mary H. FRATER M 36 F Berkshire, England Rel: Wife
Edmund W. FRATER 13 M St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Son Occ: Errand Boy
Annie M. FRATER 10 F St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar
Henry J. FRATER 6 M St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar
Frederick C. FRATER 1 M St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Son
Frank E. SMITH U 18 M Dulwich Rel: Son Occ: Printer
Louisa C. SMITH U 17 F St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Daur Occ: Shell Box Maker
Walter H. SMITH 14 M Stockport Rel: Son Occ: Printer
Birth Index entry
Frater Annie Matilda B 1871 June Pancras 1b 12026 Caroline Street
Census Place: St Pancras, London, Middlesex, England Source: FHL Film 1341045 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0207 Folio 73 Page 48 Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Edward FRATER M 33 M Islington, Middlesex, England Rel: Head Occ: French Polisher
Mary H. FRATER M 36 F Berkshire, England Rel: Wife
Edmund W. FRATER 13 M St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Son Occ: Errand Boy
Annie M. FRATER 10 F St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar
Henry J. FRATER 6 M St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar
Frederick C. FRATER 1 M St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Son
Frank E. SMITH U 18 M Dulwich Rel: Son Occ: Printer
Louisa C. SMITH U 17 F St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Daur Occ: Shell Box Maker
Walter H. SMITH 14 M Stockport Rel: Son Occ: Printer
James taken from BMD Entry
26 Caroline Street
Census Place: St Pancras, London, Middlesex, England Source: FHL Film 1341045 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0207 Folio 73 Page 48 Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Edward FRATER M 33 M Islington, Middlesex, England Rel: Head Occ: French Polisher
Mary H. FRATER M 36 F Berkshire, England Rel: Wife
Edmund W. FRATER 13 M St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Son Occ: Errand Boy
Annie M. FRATER 10 F St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar
Henry J. FRATER 6 M St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar
Frederick C. FRATER 1 M St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Son
Frank E. SMITH U 18 M Dulwich Rel: Son Occ: Printer
Louisa C. SMITH U 17 F St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Daur Occ: Shell Box Maker
Walter H. SMITH 14 M Stockport Rel: Son Occ: Printer
26 Caroline Street
Census Place: St Pancras, London, Middlesex, England Source: FHL Film 1341045 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0207 Folio 73 Page 48 Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Edward FRATER M 33 M Islington, Middlesex, England Rel: Head Occ: French Polisher
Mary H. FRATER M 36 F Berkshire, England Rel: Wife
Edmund W. FRATER 13 M St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Son Occ: Errand Boy
Annie M. FRATER 10 F St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar
Henry J. FRATER 6 M St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar
Frederick C. FRATER 1 M St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Son
Frank E. SMITH U 18 M Dulwich Rel: Son Occ: Printer
Louisa C. SMITH U 17 F St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Daur Occ: Shell Box Maker
Walter H. SMITH 14 M Stockport Rel: Son Occ: Printer
Births Register Details
Frater Frederick Charles B 1879 Sept Pancras 1b 121
Is he their son, Mary's son or is it an error
presuming this is entry from 1881 census
26 Caroline Street
Census Place: St Pancras, London, Middlesex, England Source: FHL Film 1341045 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0207 Folio 73 Page 48 Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Edward FRATER M 33 M Islington, Middlesex, England Rel: Head Occ: French Polisher
Mary H. FRATER M 36 F Berkshire, England Rel: Wife
Edmund W. FRATER 13 M St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Son Occ: Errand Boy
Annie M. FRATER 10 F St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar
Henry J. FRATER 6 M St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar
Frederick C. FRATER 1 M St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Son
Frank E. SMITH U 18 M Dulwich Rel: Son Occ: Printer
Louisa C. SMITH U 17 F St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Daur Occ: Shell Box Maker
Walter H. SMITH 14 M Stockport Rel: Son Occ: Printer
Is he their daughter, Mary's daughter or is it an error
presuming this is entry from 1881 census
26 Caroline Street
Census Place: St Pancras, London, Middlesex, England Source: FHL Film 1341045 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0207 Folio 73 Page 48 Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Edward FRATER M 33 M Islington, Middlesex, England Rel: Head Occ: French Polisher
Mary H. FRATER M 36 F Berkshire, England Rel: Wife
Edmund W. FRATER 13 M St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Son Occ: Errand Boy
Annie M. FRATER 10 F St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar
Henry J. FRATER 6 M St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar
Frederick C. FRATER 1 M St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Son
Frank E. SMITH U 18 M Dulwich Rel: Son Occ: Printer
Louisa C. SMITH U 17 F St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Daur Occ: Shell Box Maker
Walter H. SMITH 14 M Stockport Rel: Son Occ: Printer
Is he their son, Mary's son or is it an error
presuming this is entry from 1881 census
26 Caroline Street
Census Place: St Pancras, London, Middlesex, England Source: FHL Film 1341045 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0207 Folio 73 Page 48 Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Edward FRATER M 33 M Islington, Middlesex, England Rel: Head Occ: French Polisher
Mary H. FRATER M 36 F Berkshire, England Rel: Wife
Edmund W. FRATER 13 M St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Son Occ: Errand Boy
Annie M. FRATER 10 F St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar
Henry J. FRATER 6 M St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar
Frederick C. FRATER 1 M St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Son
Frank E. SMITH U 18 M Dulwich Rel: Son Occ: Printer
Louisa C. SMITH U 17 F St Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Daur Occ: Shell Box Maker
Walter H. SMITH 14 M Stockport Rel: Son Occ: Printer
details from Leicester John Frater family Tree Document
servantIs this Morris?
The Times
From The London Gazette April 22 1842 pg 4 Issue 17965 col D
Scotch Sequestrations
Morris FRATER , carrier, carrier, April 28, May 21, at 1o'clock, at the house of Daniel McGregor, Cumbernauld.This is of interest because a son of this Morris (also called Morris) married an Elizabeth McGregor daughter of Daniel McGregor. Both children of Cumbernauld.
Will of Morris provided by Sylvia Bradley 31.8.2004
SC65/34/32/26
Morris Frater Value of Estate £161, 2s, 9dMorris Frater Senior, Carrier, Main Street, Parish of Cumbernauld, who died 3rd of May 1888 at Main Street, aforesaid, testate, granted at Dumbarton, to Morris Frater, Junior, Carter, Main Street, aforesaid Executor nominated in Will or Deed dated 18th January 1888 and recorded in Court Books of Commissariat of Dumbarton.
Morris Frater left the following to his children;
1. Joseph Frater, Carter, Main Street, Cumbernauld, my son the sum of Sixty Pounds.
And secondly to each of;
2. Janet Frater or Hawkins my daughter, relict of Peter Hawkins, Melbourne, Australia.
3. Isabella Frater or Downie, also my daughter relict of Thomas Downie, New York, America.
4. Helen Frater or Cairns, also my daughter, wife of George Cairns, Joiner, Montreal, Canada.
5. Morris Frater, Joiner, Main Street, Tollcross, near Glasgow also my son.
The sum of Thirty Pounds each.1841 Scottish census from ancestry.com
Civil parish: Cumbernauld County: Dunbartonshire Address: Southside Of Main Street Parish Number: 495
Household Members: Name Age
Moris Frater 30
Jean Frater 30
Isabella Frater 12
Helen Frater 10
Janet Frater 8
John Frater 4
Joseph Frater 2
Moris Frater 1
John Lawrie 20
Jean Aulch 151851 scottish cesnsus
addresss: Main
Street, Cumbernauld.
Marris Frater, age 43, Head, born Polmont, Stirlingshire, Occupation: Carrier.
Helen D Frater, age 20, daughter, born St Ninans, Stirlingshire, Occupation: House Reeper (sic).
John D Frater, age 14, son, born Cumbernauld, Scholar.
Joseph D Frater, age 12, son, born Cumbernauld, Scholar.
Morris D Frater, age 10, son, born Cumbernauld, Scholar.1861 census of Cumbernauld:
address: Main Street South Side Chalmers Land.
Morris Frater, age 52, Head, born Volmont, Shirlingsh, Occupation: Carrier.
Joseph Frater, age 21, Son, born Cumbernauld. Occupation: Carrier.
Isabella Duncan, age 38, Servant, born Cumbernauld. Occupation: Domestic Servant.1881 census (details in email from Sandra Reid 1.2.2008)
Dwelling: Main Street
Census Place: Cumbernauld, Dumbarton, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203548 GRO Ref Volume 495 Enum Dist 8 Page 13
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Morris FRATER W 70 M Redding, Stirling, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: Carrier
Morris FRATER U 19 M Cumbernauld, Dunbarton, Scotland
Rel: Grandson
Occ: General Servant (Domestic)
Mary MARSHALL W 46 F Gargell, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Servant
Occ: Housekeeper
details from Leicester John Frater family Tree Document
Servant1841 Scottish census from ancestry.com
Civil parish: Cumbernauld County: Dunbartonshire Address: Southside Of Main Street Parish Number: 495
Household Members: Name Age
Moris Frater 30
Jean Frater 30
Isabella Frater 12
Helen Frater 10
Janet Frater 8
John Frater 4
Joseph Frater 2
Moris Frater 1
John Lawrie 20
Jean Aulch 15
details from Leicester John Frater family Tree Document (and Karen Leigh Hemmingway)
1841 Scotland Census
Civil Parish: Polmont County: Stirlingshire Address: Redding Parish Number: 487
John Fretter 65
Helen Fretter 60
Isabella Fretter 20
Helen Haddie Age: 12 Female Stirlingshire, Scotland
Isabella Fretter 31851 census dfetails
Enum Book 4 Page 13 Family 44 Entries 3,4 & 5
John FRATER 77 born Polmont, Stirling
Helen FRATER 72 born Polmont, Stirling
Isabella FRATER 32 born Polmont, Stirling
from Karen Leigh Hemmingway
from Brian Reeds
Regarding Helen DICK who became a FRATER:My wife is a FRATER and showed me the following about Helen from a death register:
Helen FRATER - Pauper - Widow of John FRATER - Labourer - died 9th January 1867 at Redding, Polmont, age 87 years.
Her parents were given as Morris DICK, Labourer (dec) and Christian DICK maiden surname GRAY (dec)
The informant was Alexander FRATER, Son, of Redding, Polmont.1851 census dfetails
Enum Book 4 Page 13 Family 44 Entries 3,4 & 5
John FRATER 77 born Polmont, Stirling
Helen FRATER 72 born Polmont, Stirling
Isabella FRATER 32 born Polmont, Stirling
1851 census dfetails
Enum Book 4 Page 13 Family 44 Entries 3,4 & 5
John FRATER 77 born Polmont, Stirling
Helen FRATER 72 born Polmont, Stirling
Isabella FRATER 32 born Polmont, Stirling1881 census details (email from Sandra Reid 1.2.2008)
Dwelling: Redding
Census Place: Polmont, Stirling, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203543 GRO Ref Volume 487 Enum Dist 3 Page 28
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Isabella FRATER U 64 F Polmont, Stirling, Scotland
Rel: Head
Peter RUSSELL U 77 M Airdrie, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Boarder
Occ: Ostler (Retired)