email from Don Hutton 9.3.2004 (will cross reference with Karen & Christine to see if same Peter Hay)
This is quite different from the birth in Edinburgh shown on file
b. 1799 in Applegarth, Dumfriesshire, Scotland, occupation Plumber.
Peter died 14 Feb 1870 in Kirkcudbright, Kirkcudbrightshire, Scotland.
more details from Karen Frater, Australia
email from Don Hutton 9.3.2004 (will cross reference with Karen & Christine to see if same Peter Hay)
b. 1803 in Tynron, Dumfriesshire, Scotland (daughter of Alexander MITCHELL and Ann MILLER)
d. 17 Dec 1838 in Kirkcudbright, Kirkcudbrightshire, Scotland
email from Don Hutton 9.3.2004
b. 1826 in Dumfries Parish, Scotland, occupation Strawhatmaker (1841)
received an email from Don Hutton who has only one Mary born to Peter & Mary. Is this Mary correct? Could this be Marion?
Emma first appears in records m the 1841 census for Price Street in the district of St. Mary's. This census was taken in June 1841. I found this entry on 1841, Birmingham 4+, HO 107/1143 for House 2, Court 15, Price St. (Price Street seems to have run between Loveday St. and Lancaster Street more or less where St. Chad's Ringway now runs at the back of the Dental Hospital. St.Mary's Church was built as an annexe of St. Martin's from l779 onwards: elegant Georgian terraces once surrounded it. It became a Parish C'hurch in the 1830s but fell into decline and was eventually demolished. Price Street did not contain elegant Georgian houses but rather the smelly, insanitary courts ol back-to-back houses inhabited by the working classes of old Birmingham. In 1835 Price Street was on the northernmost edge of Birmingham.
1841, court 15, House 2. Price St.
William SHORT (Head), aged 40, Iron Caster, born Warwickshire
Mary Ann SHORT(Wife), aged 40 born outside the county.
Eliza SHORT (daughter), aged 15, born Warwickshire
Thomas SHORT (son), aged 15, born Warwickshire,
William SHORT(son), aged 10, born Warwickshire
Mary SHORT (daughter), aged 10, born Warwickshire
Emma SHORT (daughter), aged 6, born Warwickshire
James SHORT(son), aged 3, born Warwickshire
John SHORT (son), aged 1, born WarwickshireThis census was taken in April of 1851.
Census Ref. Aston, Duddeston. 2061.714/26
Bloomsbury St. (no number given)
Head, William SHORT, aged 50, Iron Cutter, born Birmingham Warwickshire
Wife, Mary SHORT, aged 52, born Scotland
Son, James SHORT, aged 13, Iron Cutter, born Birmingham, Warwickshire
Son, John, aged 11, Scholar, born Birmingham Warwickshire.1861 Cen. William living 45 Sheep St, Birmingham St Peter; occupation: Iron Founder; with son John - Iron Caster
m(2) bef. 1871 SH2.1BS Selina b. 1829 Birmingham. No children by second marriage1871 Cen. Living at 364 Nechells Park, Duddeston & Nechells, Birmingham with second wife and grandson John William SMITH, son of daughter Eliza Stone SHORT and John SMITH b. 1861/2 Birmingham
John SHORT's birth certificate gives his mother's name as Mary Ann SHORT, nee Marshall.
Emma first appears in records m the 1841 census for Price Street in the district of St. Mary's. This census was taken in June 1841. I found this entry on 1841, Birmingham 4+, HO 107/1143 for House 2, Court 15, Price St. (Price Street seems to have run between Loveday St. and Lancaster Street more or less where St. Chad's Ringway now runs at the back of the Dental Hospital. St.Mary's Church was built as an annexe of St. Martin's from l779 onwards: elegant Georgian terraces once surrounded it. It became a Parish C'hurch in the 1830s but fell into decline and was eventually demolished. Price Street did not contain elegant Georgian houses but rather the smelly, insanitary courts ol back-to-back houses inhabited by the working classes of old Birmingham. In 1835 Price Street was on the northernmost edge of Birmingham.
1841, court 15, House 2. Price St.
William SHORT (Head), aged 40, Iron Caster, born Warwickshire
Mary Ann SHORT(Wife), aged 40 born outside the county.
Eliza SHORT (daughter), aged 15, born Warwickshire
Thomas SHORT (son), aged 15, born Warwickshire,
William SHORT(son), aged 10, born Warwickshire
Mary SHORT (daughter), aged 10, born Warwickshire
Emma SHORT (daughter), aged 6, born Warwickshire
James SHORT(son), aged 3, born Warwickshire
John SHORT (son), aged 1, born WarwickshireThis census was taken in April of 1851.
Census Ref. Aston, Duddeston. 2061.714/26
Bloomsbury St. (no number given)
Head, William SHORT, aged 50, Iron Cutter, born Birmingham Warwickshire
Wife, Mary SHORT, aged 52, born Scotland
Son, James SHORT, aged 13, Iron Cutter, born Birmingham, Warwickshire
Son, John, aged 11, Scholar, born Birmingham Warwickshire.
Note: death of a Hannah SHORT, aged 13, 20 Mar 1833 St Peter & Paul, Aston, Birmingham.
bpt. 19 Apr 1824 St Martin, Birmingham (source IGI). Was on here temporarily but following Eliza Stone SHORT being proved, Edward Woolley SHORT has also been included as child - same parents. Nothing further is known about this person. There is a rec. on NBI of an Edward SHORT bur. St Martin 14 Mar 1826 aged 2+ but it is not known whether 2+ means more than 2 or that the second digit of the age is unreadable.
letter from Maureen ALAM dated 14 Oct 2004
I got the name Taplin Bradley from the marriage of George 1 and Emma SHORT. I believe Nigel S.M. has his own copy of that. As a postgraduate student I studied palaeography. On close examination of the marriage certificate and after consultation with two former colleagues who also studied palaeography I decided that the letter at the beginning of Taplin is quite possibly a ‘J’ not a ‘T’ so the name is possibly ‘Japlin’ not ‘Taplin’. I am more inclined to this view because The Oxford Dictionary of English Christian Names which purports to include all Christian names given to people in England from about 1300 onwards does not list the name ‘Taplin’ but includes ‘Joplin’ as pet forms of ‘Job’. (You may recall the jazz composer Scott Joplin, though in his case Joplin is his surname). It is therefore worthwhile looking for a ‘Job BRADLEY’ in Berkshire as well as looking for ‘Taplin’.Incidentally according to the family legend passed on by Emma SHORT to Lucy BRADLEY nee BRADBURY and thence passed on to Lucy’s children. George was not the son of anybody surnamed ‘BRADLEY’ but was the illegitimate son of a gardener surnamed ‘PEACE’ or ‘PEASE’ and a servant girl ‘at a big country house’. If this is true it would probably have been George’s mother who was surnamed ‘BRADLEY’ and perhaps her father was Japlin or Taplin BRADLEY. It is also possible that George’s mother’s family were not from Berkshire at all and therefore Job BRADLEY could be a Midlander or Northerner. It is also possible that George just invented the name of a father. Unfortunately the IGI for Berkshire does not include records from Newbury Parish Church.
Note from KF
The Mayors of Chesterfield 1598-2000 show Job BRADLEY as mayor in the following years:
1725, 1731, 1738, 1742, 1744, 1791 and 1794. There will be more than one Job BRADLEY here. Could there be a link?
(http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/m/i/l/John-Mills/FILE/0011page.html)In Eliza appears on the 1861 census as 11 mths old living with her parents, George Bradley, aged 31 a Paper Maker born in Newbury, Berks, and her mother Emma, aged 25, and her older sister,Emma aged 5. The full address is given as 9, Eden Place, Guildford Street. (See 'Emma Short and the Shorts' p.3-4). Since this 1861 census was taken on April 27th Eliza should really be 1 year old.
On the 1871 census Eliza aged 11 is recorded as living at 21 Walsall Road with her parents, and her sisters Emma aged 15, and Clara aged 7 and her brother George aged 5.
b in 1830/31/32/33 d. 1907/8/9/10
Sailed to Australia on 23 April 1880 arriving Rockhampton 23 July 1880. Passenger List shows
BRADLEY CLARA 14 FREE PASSAGE (incorrect name. This is the daughter of George's mistress)
BRADLEY GEORGE 44 ASSISTED PASSAGE
BRADLEY EMMA 44 ASSISTED PASSAGE (incorrect name. Emma was at home in Birmingham. This is George's mistress believed to be Mrs Amelia MASON born CHURCHILL)
BRADLEY GEORGE 11 ASSISTED PASSAGE (age is incorrect. Probably lied to get reduced passage costs)
George Sr & Jr returned arround 1887. It is believed that the mistress did as well but there is no proof.
An e-mail from Nick Tatham
She was deaf and dumb and her daughter Susan married a William Wells b 1811 Bintree NFK and they had children in Houghton-on-the-Hill. Susan went on to marry a John Smith, presumably because William Wells died.