KF 8.10.2006
Is this the cnesus detail of Alexander & Mary?
Kinross Census - 1841 census of the parish of Portmoak
Kinnesswood
Alexander Miller M 55 Linen Hand Loom Weaver Yes 7
Mary Miller F 35 Yes 7
Janet Miller F 20 Linen Hand Loom Weaver Yes 7
David Miller M 17 Linen Hand Loom Weaver Yes 7
Alexander Miller M 12 Linen Hand Loom Weaver Yes 7
Robert Miller M 8 Yes 7
John Miller M 5 Yes 7
James Miller M 3 Yes 7This is another possibility (if Alexander was Mary dead?)
Kinnesswood
Alexander Miller M 45 Farmer Yes 8
David Miller M 11 Yes 8
Margaret Miller F 9 Yes 8
Helen Miller F 25 Female Servant Yes 8
Could this be Morrison and not Thomson?
Mary, Jean, Christian & John show parents as Stewart Galloway and Janet (Morrison?)
A Stewart Galloway and Janet Thomson is shown on the LDS Family Search as the parents of George Galloway born 13 Jun 1814. Probably the same George who went to S. Wales. It also shows a Mary (b. 8.8.1801), Jean (b. 1.4.1804), Christian (b. 7.10.1810) and John (b. 25.9.1825) also children of a Stewart Galloway and Janet Thomson.
email from Robyn Harris
Between 1821 and 1841 she gave birth to seven sons and two daughters, all baptised in Portmoak.KF 8.10.2006
Is this the cnesus detail of Alexander & Mary? doesn't quite match up the notes frokm Robyn
Kinross Census - 1841 census of the parish of Portmoak
Kinnesswood
Alexander Miller M 55 Linen Hand Loom Weaver Yes 7
Mary Miller F 35 Yes 7
Janet Miller F 20 Linen Hand Loom Weaver Yes 7
David Miller M 17 Linen Hand Loom Weaver Yes 7
Alexander Miller M 12 Linen Hand Loom Weaver Yes 7
Robert Miller M 8 Yes 7
John Miller M 5 Yes 7
James Miller M 3 Yes 7This is another possibility (if Alexander was Mary dead?)
Kinnesswood
Alexander Miller M 45 Farmer Yes 8
David Miller M 11 Yes 8
Margaret Miller F 9 Yes 8
Helen Miller F 25 Female Servant Yes 8
Letter from Lexie Maurice (May A Biggs) March 2002
moved to Swindon & died thereIdris is a son on the tree but may only be a grandson (see Edgar)
1911 Census
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born
BIGGS, Richard A Head Married M 63 1848 Pensioned Engine DriverBisley Gloucestershire
BIGGS, Margret Ann Wife Married
39 years F 56 1855 Neath Glamorgan
BIGGS, Gwendlie Daughter Single F 36 1875 Cardiff Glamorgan
BIGGS, Edgar Son Single M 35 1876 House-Painter Cardiff Glamorgan
BIGGS, Richard G Son Single M 26 1885 Labour London Glamorgan
BIGGS, Alice L Daughter Single F 22 1889 London Glamorgan
BIGGS, Ivor M Son Single M 21 1890 Engine Fitter London Glamorgan
BIGGS, Gladys Granddaughter Single F 14 1897 Neath Glamorgan
BIGGS, Idres Grandson Single M 7 1904 Neath Glamorgan
RG number: RG14 Piece: 32637 Reference: RG14PN32637 RG78PN1863 RD592 SD2 ED19 SN143Registration District: Neath Sub District: Neath EnumerationDistrict:
19 Parish: Neath (Parish and Town)
Address: 31 Queen Street Neath County: Glamorganshire
Letter from Lexie Maurice (May A Biggs) March 2002
moved to Swindon & died there
based on correspondence from Leicester Frater of NZ the following details were added
born 6.11.1857 called William of Clerkwell (presumed he lived there)
only had one son?BMD Death ref
Frater William J D 1938 Sept Islington 1b 234 80 1858This is a bit late for William could it be a son marrying another FOORD?
Frater William Oliver M 1902 Dec Islington 1b 495 From Free BMD Annie Elizabeth Foord28 Aug 2003
Received a letter from Conrad Frater with copy of tree produced by his father Edward C Frater. He is referred to as William Frater of Clerkenwell. (Why the name of the area attached? [KF]) born 6 N 1857 presumably for November. Married in Trinity Church 1 F 1880 died 12 Jy 1938 Type r (I don't understand this reference [KF])1861 census
Pentonville District 7 Clerkenwell St James Middlesex
RG 9/196 Page 65
Schedule 389 29 North Avenue
James FRATER Head M 41 Compositor Scotland
Sarah FRATER Wife M 33 - *, Middlesex
James FRATER Son S 15 French Polisher St Andrews, Holborn, Middlesex
Edward FRATER Son S 13 French Polisher Islington, Middlesex
Frederick FRATER Son S 11 Scholar Islington, Middlesex
Oliver FRATER Son S 9 Scholar Bloomsbury, Middlesex
Harry FRATER Son S 7 Scholar St Andrews, Holborn, Middlesex
Eliza FRATER daur S 5 - St Mary, Islington, Middlesex
William FRATER Son S 2 Scholar St Pancras, Islington, Middlesex
Arthur FRATER Son S 1 Scholar Clerkenwell, MiddlesexJames also lived in 6 Charlotte Street during the 1871 census.
RG10/259 Registration district: Islington Sub-registration district: Islington West
ED, institution, or vessel: 26 Folio: 49 Page: 19
Household schedule number: 120
6 Charlotte Street
Name Age in 1871 Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County/Island
J Frater 52 Scotland Head Islington All Saints London Printer Compositor
L K (possibly F K) Frater 21 Islington Son Islington All Saints London Cabinet Maker
Hy G Frater 17 Marylebone Son Islington All Saints London
Wm Frater 13 St Pancras Son Islington All Saints London
Arthur Frater 11 Islington Son Islington All Saints LondonAlthough William is not found the following person is found on the 1881 census familysearch.org.
1881 Census
3 Adelaide Place
London, Middlesex, England
Family History Library Film 1341087
Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 0402 / 48 Page Number 41
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
William PREATER Head M Male 27 Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England General Labourer
Ellen PREATER Wife M Female 26 Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England Laundress
William PREATER Son U Male 4 m Hoxton, Middlesex, England1891 census
11 Busaco Street, Clerkenwell
William Frater Head 33 Type Founderer Pancras, London
Ellen Frater Wife 31 Clerkenwell
William Frater Son 10 Clerkenwell
Charles Frater Son 7 Islington
Lily Frater Daughter 2 Clerkenwell
Alice Frater Daughter 5 mths Clerkenwell1901 Scotland Census
Name: William Frater Age: 42 Estimated birth year: abt 1859 Relationship: Head Where born: England, London
Spouse's name : Ellen
Registration Number: 685/2 Registration district: St Andrew Civil parish: Edinburgh St Stephen County: Midlothian
Address: 21 Jamaica Street Occupation: Type-founder ED: 119 Page: 6
Household schedule number: 46 Line: 23 Roll: CSSCT1901_376
Household Members: Name Age
William Frater 42
Ellen Frater 49
Alice Frater 10
Albert Frater 8
Lilly Frater 2
Mary Frater 5
based on correspondence from Leicester Frater of NZ the following details were added
all this persons detailsDwelling 10 North Street Census Place London, Middlesex, England Family History Library Film 1341077 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 0355 / 47 Page Number 14
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation
Jane FOORD Wife (Head) M Female 58 London, Middlesex, England Nurse
John D. FOORD Son U Male 17 London, Middlesex, England Polisher
Frances A. FOORD Daur U Female 24 London, Middlesex, England Machinist
Ellen E. FRATER Daur M Female 19 London, Middlesex, England Dress Maker
Willie FRATER Gran Son U Male 11m London, Middlesex, England
Mary PHILLIPS Relative M Female 51 London, Middlesex, England
Henry F. PHILLIPS Relative U Male 12 London, Middlesex, England Scholar
email from Patrick Davies 4.8.2007
The Mary Phillips "relative" was born MARY CHARLOTTE COWCHER, sister of JANE and GEORGE WILLIAM. Henry Phillips was her son28 Aug 2003
Received a letter from Conrad Frater with copy of tree produced by his father Edward C Frater. The census shows her as Ellen E but the tree produced by Edward (grandson) is Elizabeth Ellen who dies in 1947 age 851891 census
11 Busaco Street, Clerkenwell
William Frater Head 33 Type Founderer Pancras, London
Ellen Frater Wife 31 Clerkenwell
William Frater Son 10 Clerkenwell
Charles Frater Son 7 Islington
Lily Frater Daughter 2 Clerkenwell
Alice Frater Daughter 5 mths Clerkenwell1901 Scotland Census
Name: William Frater Age: 42 Estimated birth year: abt 1859 Relationship: Head Where born: England, London
Spouse's name : Ellen
Registration Number: 685/2 Registration district: St Andrew Civil parish: Edinburgh St Stephen County: Midlothian
Address: 21 Jamaica Street Occupation: Type-founder ED: 119 Page: 6
Household schedule number: 46 Line: 23 Roll: CSSCT1901_376
Household Members: Name Age
William Frater 42
Ellen Frater 49
Alice Frater 10
Albert Frater 8
Lilly Frater 2
Mary Frater 5
1891 census
11 Busaco Street, Clerkenwell
William Frater Head 33 Type Founderer Pancras, London
Ellen Frater Wife 31 Clerkenwell
William Frater Son 10 Clerkenwell
Charles Frater Son 7 Islington
Lily Frater Daughter 2 Clerkenwell
Alice Frater Daughter 5 mths Clerkenwell1901 Census
RG 13/251 Page 4
Ecclesiastical St Silas
Municipal Finsbury
Ward No 1 (Pentonville)
Parliamentary Islington South
64 Wynford Road, Clerkenwell
Frederick Purle Head M 56 Bowyer (Toy) London
Caroline Purle Wife M 50 London
Willie Purle Son M 22 Cabinet Maker London
Lilly Purle Saughter S 20 Machinist (Shirt) London
Peter Purle Son S 17 Smith (Blacks) London
Joseph Purle Son S 15 Errand Boy (Port) London
Caroline Purle Daughter S 9 London
Mary Knight Drand-daughter S 4 London
Jane Foord Mother-in-Law W 78 London
Charles Frater Nephew - 18 LondonPossible marriages
Marriages Dec 1903
FRATER Charles Holborn 1b 1213
Hughes Ellen Louisa Holborn 1b 1213
Lloyd May Ann Holborn 1b 1213
WALKER Nellie Ellen Holborn 1b 1213
1891 census
11 Busaco Street, Clerkenwell
William Frater Head 33 Type Founderer Pancras, London
Ellen Frater Wife 31 Clerkenwell
William Frater Son 10 Clerkenwell
Charles Frater Son 7 Islington
Lily Frater Daughter 2 Clerkenwell
Alice Frater Daughter 5 mths Clerkenwell
1891 census
11 Busaco Street, Clerkenwell
William Frater Head 33 Type Founderer Pancras, London
Ellen Frater Wife 31 Clerkenwell
William Frater Son 10 Clerkenwell
Charles Frater Son 7 Islington
Lily Frater Daughter 2 Clerkenwell
Alice Frater Daughter 5 mths Clerkenwell1901 Scotland Census
Name: William Frater Age: 42 Estimated birth year: abt 1859 Relationship: Head Where born: England, London
Spouse's name : Ellen
Registration Number: 685/2 Registration district: St Andrew Civil parish: Edinburgh St Stephen County: Midlothian
Address: 21 Jamaica Street Occupation: Type-founder ED: 119 Page: 6
Household schedule number: 46 Line: 23 Roll: CSSCT1901_376
Household Members: Name Age
William Frater 42
Ellen Frater 49
Alice Frater 10
Albert Frater 8
Lilly Frater 2
Mary Frater 5Possible marriage
Marriages Sep 1911
Bolt George Holborn 1b 1407
Frater Alice Holborn 1b 1407
Gibbs James W Holborn 1b 1407
1.5.2004 Using IGI familysearch.org the name is spelt FRAITER
based on correspondence from Leicester Frater of NZ the following details were added
all detailsMessage from Karen Hemingway may contain a possible link. Certainly matches up in names already got
"While I am still trying to find out about John and Helen, I did come across a John Frater and Janet Forgie married in 1770 in Borrowstounness who went on to have 6 children but recorded as FRAITER.
The children were:
Christian (F) born 1771
John (M) born 1773
Henry (M) born 1776
Jean (F) born 1778
James (M) born 1781 and
Janet (F) born 1786.
Janet may be the daughter of John Forgie and Christian Gourlie and born 1749 in Muiravonside"taken from Muiravonside Parish Marriages (1692 - 1875)
28 Aug 2003
Received a letter from Conrad Frater with copy of tree produced by his father Edward C Frater. He has James married to Janet Fergus.
IGI familysearch.org has he marrying FRAITOR
Message from Karen Hemingway may contain a possible link. Certainly matches up in names already got
"While I am still trying to find out about John and Helen, I did come across a John Frater and Janet Forgie married in 1770 in Borrowstounness who went on to have 6 children but recorded as FRAITER.
The children were:
Christian (F) born 1771
John (M) born 1773
Henry (M) born 1776
Jean (F) born 1778
James (M) born 1781 and
Janet (F) born 1786.
Janet may be the daughter of John Forgie and Christian Gourlie and born 1749 in Muiravonside"taken from Muiravonside Parish Marriages (1692 - 1875)
28 Aug 2003
Received a letter from Conrad Frater with copy of tree produced by his father Edward C Frater. He has James married to Janet Fergus.
Message from Karen Hemingway may contain a possible link. Certainly matches up in names already got
"While I am still trying to find out about John and Helen, I did come across a John Frater and Janet Forgie married in 1770 in Borrowstounness who went on to have 6 children but recorded as FRAITER.
The children were:
Christian (F) born 1771
John (M) born 1773
Henry (M) born 1776
Jean (F) born 1778
James (M) born 1781 and
Janet (F) born 1786.
Janet may be the daughter of John Forgie and Christian Gourlie and born 1749 in Muiravonside"
Message from Karen Hemingway may contain a possible link. Certainly matches up in names already got
"While I am still trying to find out about John and Helen, I did come across a John Frater and Janet Forgie married in 1770 in Borrowstounness who went on to have 6 children but recorded as FRAITER.
The children were:
Christian (F) born 1771
John (M) born 1773
Henry (M) born 1776
Jean (F) born 1778
James (M) born 1781 and
Janet (F) born 1786.
Janet may be the daughter of John Forgie and Christian Gourlie and born 1749 in Muiravonside"
based on correspondence from Leicester Frater of NZ the following details were added
all detailsMessage from Karen Hemingway may contain a possible link. Certainly matches up in names already got
"While I am still trying to find out about John and Helen, I did come across a John Frater and Janet Forgie married in 1770 in Borrowstounness who went on to have 6 children but recorded as FRAITER.
The children were:
Christian (F) born 1771
John (M) born 1773
Henry (M) born 1776
Jean (F) born 1778
James (M) born 1781 and
Janet (F) born 1786.
Janet may be the daughter of John Forgie and Christian Gourlie and born 1749 in Muiravonside"
Is this the marriage to William FRATER?
18 Jan 1823 FRAITER JEAN WILLIAM FRAITER/FR808 F POLMONT 487/00 0003There is a ScotlandsPeople marriage of William FRATER & Jean FRATER
Jean does have a 1st cousin William Frater. Is this William's Jean?
1851 census Polmont
Enum book 2 Page 16 Entry 9 & 10
William FRATER 57 born Polmont, Stirling
Jean FRATER 47 born Polmont, Stirling
based on correspondence from Leicester Frater of NZ the following details were added
all detailsMessage from Karen Hemingway may contain a possible link. Certainly matches up in names already got
"While I am still trying to find out about John and Helen, I did come across a John Frater and Janet Forgie married in 1770 in Borrowstounness who went on to have 6 children but recorded as FRAITER.
The children were:
Christian (F) born 1771
John (M) born 1773
Henry (M) born 1776
Jean (F) born 1778
James (M) born 1781 and
Janet (F) born 1786.
Janet may be the daughter of John Forgie and Christian Gourlie and born 1749 in Muiravonside"
Unknown. Here to link to brother. Details provided by Edward C Frater (1983 documents) via Caroline Frater.