Descendants of FRATER 18th c of Polmont

Notes

6. John FRATER

details from Leicester John Frater family Tree Document (and Karen Leigh Hemmingway)

1841 Scotland Census
Civil Parish: Polmont County: Stirlingshire Address: Redding Parish Number: 487
John Fretter 65
Helen Fretter 60
Isabella Fretter 20
Helen Haddie Age: 12 Female Stirlingshire, Scotland
Isabella Fretter 3

1851 census dfetails
Enum Book 4 Page 13 Family 44 Entries 3,4 & 5
John FRATER 77 born Polmont, Stirling
Helen FRATER 72 born Polmont, Stirling
Isabella FRATER 32 born Polmont, Stirling

Helen DICK

from Karen Leigh Hemmingway

from Brian Reeds
Regarding Helen DICK who became a FRATER:

My wife is a FRATER and showed me the following about Helen from a death register:
Helen FRATER - Pauper - Widow of John FRATER - Labourer - died 9th January 1867 at Redding, Polmont, age 87 years.
Her parents were given as Morris DICK, Labourer (dec) and Christian DICK maiden surname GRAY (dec)
The informant was Alexander FRATER, Son, of Redding, Polmont.

1851 census dfetails
Enum Book 4 Page 13 Family 44 Entries 3,4 & 5
John FRATER 77 born Polmont, Stirling
Helen FRATER 72 born Polmont, Stirling
Isabella FRATER 32 born Polmont, Stirling

19. Isabella FRATER

1851 census dfetails
Enum Book 4 Page 13 Family 44 Entries 3,4 & 5
John FRATER 77 born Polmont, Stirling
Helen FRATER 72 born Polmont, Stirling
Isabella FRATER 32 born Polmont, Stirling

1881 census details (email from Sandra Reid 1.2.2008)
Dwelling: Redding
Census Place: Polmont, Stirling, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203543 GRO Ref Volume 487 Enum Dist 3 Page 28
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Isabella FRATER U 64 F Polmont, Stirling, Scotland
Rel: Head
Peter RUSSELL U 77 M Airdrie, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Boarder
Occ: Ostler (Retired)

20. Christian FRATER

Pamela Dennison - GR - 5.9.2008

9. James FRATER (FRAITER)

email from George Whitelaw 22.5.2005
I have found on the Index 1841 census this family of Fraters living in the Gorbals Glasgow.
James age 55
Margaret age 50
James age 20
William age 18
Alexander age 13

email from Barbara Nelleson 27.5.2005
Piece: SCT1841/644/ 2 Place: Glasgow-Lanarkshire Enumeration District: 58 Civil Parish: Gorbals Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: - Folio: 21 Page: 1 Address: Portugal Street Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
FRATER James M 55 Carpet Weaver Outside Census County (1841)
FRATER Margaret F 50 Outside Census County (1841)
FRATER James M 20 Compositor Lanarkshire
FRATER William M 18 Carpet Weaver Lanarkshire
FRATER Alexander M 13 Calico Printer Lanarkshire

email from Jack MILLS
1851 cens 644-2 (614) Ed 18 p 14 (Gorbals Proper)
17 Portugal St.
James FRATER, head, widower, 69, carpet weaver, b Polmont, STI
William FRATER, son, u/m 24, carpet weaver, b Glasgow, LKS
Margaret BELL, daur, marr, 32, --------- b Glasgow
Margaret BELL, gr-daur, 9, --------- b Glasgow

1.5.2004 Using IGI familysearch.org the name is spelt FRAITER

based on correspondence from Leicester Frater of NZ the following details were added
all details
referred to as James of Gorbals

Message from Karen Hemingway may contain a possible link. Certainly matches up in names already got
"While I am still trying to find out about John and Helen, I did come across a John Frater and Janet Forgie married in 1770 in Borrowstounness who went on to have 6 children but recorded as FRAITER.
The children were:
Christian (F) born 1771
John (M) born 1773
Henry (M) born 1776
Jean (F) born 1778
James (M) born 1781 and
Janet (F) born 1786.

Janet may be the daughter of John Forgie and Christian Gourlie and born 1749 in Muiravonside"

Date taken from chart got from Christine. Her source is unknown.
Went to Glasgow about 1817 and died there at the age of 74. In 1855 he was a carpet weaver

28 Aug 2003
Received a letter from Conrad Frater with copy of tree produced by his father Edward C Frater. He has James born 20 M 1781 (M is unknown March or May probably) in Polmont. This is the source for Christine.

Death certificate says:
James Frater (Carpet Weaver) Male 74 years born in Polmont, Stirlingshire 38 years in Glasgow. Son of William Frater Quarryman (deceased). But notes written in to the left of the entry states that father is John. Wife is Margaret Miller deceased. Siblings listed as John 48, Margaret 38, James 35 and WIlliam 33. Death March 22nd 1855 at 10:10 pm. He died at 17 Portugal Street, Glasgow. Died of Bronchitis certified on March 23rd. Informant was William Frater son. Registered on March 24 1855. This is in the district of HUTCHESONTOWN Glasgow, Lanark document 644/10 0275

Buried in Calton Burial Ground, Glasgow.The burial ground was created by the Calton Incorporation of Weavers in 1786, there being many thousand weavers working and living in this part of the city at that time, but the ground was not solely used by them.

email re: James's Burial
Your e-mail enquiry regarding Calton Burial Ground has been forwarded to us by
Glasgow Cemeteries Dept.

I can confirm that James Frater is buried in Calton, date of burial, 25th March
1855, Aged 74, 17 Portugal Street.

There is a lair number, 168, however, there are no complete lair registers in
existence. I am unable to confirm if any other family members are interred in
that lair.

I have checked the lair owners register and it seems that Thomas Hardie who was
a mason from Calton purchased it on November 14th 1790.

The Old Parish Records for Calton include burials 1792-1854, however, these are
arranged by date, not by name.

If you can arrange to view these films, you may discover other family members.

Regards
Christine McGilly
Special Collections
Mitchell Library
Glasgow


Notes on area of Portugal Street
The Streets of St Mungo, Glasgow (http://homepage.ntlworld.com/gordon.adams1/StreetNames.htm)
LAURIESTON. This is a district on the south side of the river, which was feued from the trustees of Hutchesons’ Hospital about the beginning of last century by James Laurie, son of David Laurie, timber merchant, Jamaica Street. It was bounded on the west side by Bridge Street and Eglinton Street, on the east by Buchan Street and Portugal Street, on the south by Cavendish Street, extending north to Carlton Place, at the river side. Mr. Laurie had a penchant for high-sounding English names, and in laying off the lands gave us Bedford, Cavendish, Cumberland, Norfolk, Oxford, Portland, Salisbury, and Warwick Streets. These cognomens have remained, but Bridge Street, which he named Bloomsbury, has got a more suitable title.

Taken from "Glimpses of Glasgow" 1894 by Andrew Aird
PORTUGAL STREET consisted largely of dwelling houses for working people. Its chief building was the Lancasterian School, which never was very popular. What is now known as Eglinton Street United Presbyterian Church had its conception in this institution. Its members met there for worship till the present church was built and ready for divine service. Its site was a gift from Mr. Laurie, of Laurieston.

Margaret MILLER

email from George Whitelaw 22.5.2005
I have found on the Index 1841 census this family of Fraters living
in the Gorbals Glasgow.
James age 55
Margaret age 50
James age 20
William age 18
Alexander age 13

email from Barbara Nelleson 27.5.2005
Piece: SCT1841/644/ 2 Place: Glasgow-Lanarkshire Enumeration District: 58 Civil Parish: Gorbals Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: - Folio: 21 Page: 1 Address: Portugal Street Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
FRATER James M 55 Carpet Weaver Outside Census County (1841)
FRATER Margaret F 50 Outside Census County (1841)
FRATER James M 20 Compositor Lanarkshire
FRATER William M 18 Carpet Weaver Lanarkshire
FRATER Alexander M 13 Calico Printer Lanarkshire

28 Aug 2003
Received a letter from Conrad Frater with copy of tree produced by his father Edward C Frater. This gives death before 1851

20.5.2004 - 1851 census entry provided confirming that James was a widower at this time. This confirms EC's findings that she died prior to 1851.

25.9.2005 email from Lynda Bell
I think I found Margaret.
OPR 644/67 Page 473
1848 March 4 - Mrs. Margaret MILLER or FLYTER, age 60 years, Asthma, Lair 168 old burial ground)
This is the closest I could find. Does her age seem right to you? Flyter sounds similar enough to Frater. I can see where the clerk might have gotten the name wrong.
Lynda
(This matches with dates and facts from James)

29 Sept 2005
With age at death year of birth is now placed at 1788 IGI have 2 Margaret MILLERS born in Stirlingshire (place where James was born) in that year
Margaret MILLER christened 14 Sept 1798 Falkirk, Stirlingshre to John MILLER & Jean LIDDELL/LIDDLE in Batch C119709 which contains 25 MILLERS.
Margaret MILLER christened 10 Feb 1798 Gargunnock, Stirlingshre to George MILLER & Margaret PATERSON

Other Margaret MILLER's christened within 2 year of 1788 in Stirlingshire include
Margaret parent: John MILLER/Margaret AITKEN 11 Aug 1789 Falkirk
also recorded birth 11 AUG 1789 Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland, christened 16 AUG 1789 Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland
Margaret parent: Robert MILLER/Elizabeth WATSON 05 MAR 1789 Airth, Stirling, Scotland (birth 28 FEB 1789)
Margaret parent: James MILLER/Elizabeth MUIRHEAD 03 JAN 1790 Bothkennar, Stirling, Scotland
Margaret parent: Robert MILLER/Mary McCULLOCH 24 JAN 1790 Gargunnock, Stirling, Scotland

Could she be one of these?

24. William FRATER

email from George Whitelaw 22.5.2005
I have found on the Index 1841 census this family of Fraters living
in the Gorbals Glasgow.
James age 55
Margaret age 50
James age 20
William age 18
Alexander age 13

email from Barbara Nelleson 27.5.2005
Piece: SCT1841/644/ 2 Place: Glasgow-Lanarkshire Enumeration District: 58 Civil Parish: Gorbals Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: - Folio: 21 Page: 1 Address: Portugal Street Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
FRATER James M 55 Carpet Weaver Outside Census County (1841)
FRATER Margaret F 50 Outside Census County (1841)
FRATER James M 20 Compositor Lanarkshire
FRATER William M 18 Carpet Weaver Lanarkshire
FRATER Alexander M 13 Calico Printer Lanarkshire

email from Jack MILLS
1851 cens 644-2 (614) Ed 18 p 14 (Gorbals Proper)
17 Portugal St.
James FRATER, head, widower, 69, carpet weaver, b Polmont, STI
William FRATER, son, u/m 24, carpet weaver, b Glasgow, LKS
Margaret BELL, daur, marr, 32, --------- b Glasgow
Margaret BELL, gr-daur, 9, --------- b Glasgow

1861 census
William Frater Age: 38 Estimated birth year: abt 1823 Relationship: Brother Gender: Male Where born: Glasgow, Lanark
ED: 99 Page: 5
Registration Number: 644/10 Registration district: Hutchesontown Civil parish: Glasgow Gorbals County: Lanarkshire
Household schedule number: 21 Address: 17 Portugal Street
Occupation: Wool Weaver
Roll: CSSCT1861_113
Household Members: Name Age
MRS. Bell 42
Margaret Bell 19
William Frater 38

based on correspondence from Leicester Frater of NZ the following details were added
all details

28 Aug 2003
Received a letter from Conrad Frater with copy of tree produced by his father Edward C Frater.

25. Alexander FRATER

1841 Census
5 Records found
Piece: SCT1841/644 Place: Glasgow-Lanarkshire Enumeration District: 58
Civil Parish: Gorbals Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 57 Page: 1
Address: Portugal Street
Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
FRATER James M 55 Carpet Weaver Outside Census County (1841)
FRATER Margaret F 50 Outside Census County (1841)
FRATER James M 20 Compositor Lanarkshire
FRATER William M 18 Carpet Weaver Lanarkshire
FRATER Alexander M 13 Calico Printer Lanarkshire