Fraiter/Fraiter descendants from Polmont - pafn04 - Generated by Personal Ancestral File

Descendants of FRATER 18th c of Polmont

Notes

details from Leicester John Frater family Tree Document
servant

Is this Morris?
The Times
From The London Gazette April 22 1842 pg 4 Issue 17965 col D
Scotch Sequestrations
Morris FRATER , carrier, carrier, April 28, May 21, at 1o'clock, at the house of Daniel McGregor, Cumbernauld.

This is of interest because a son of this Morris (also called Morris) married an Elizabeth McGregor daughter of Daniel McGregor. Both children of Cumbernauld.

Will of Morris provided by Sylvia Bradley 31.8.2004
SC65/34/32/26
Morris Frater Value of Estate £161, 2s, 9d

Morris Frater Senior, Carrier, Main Street, Parish of Cumbernauld, who died 3rd of May 1888 at Main Street, aforesaid, testate, granted at Dumbarton, to Morris Frater, Junior, Carter, Main Street, aforesaid Executor nominated in Will or Deed dated 18th January 1888 and recorded in Court Books of Commissariat of Dumbarton.

Morris Frater left the following to his children;

1. Joseph Frater, Carter, Main Street, Cumbernauld, my son the sum of Sixty Pounds.
And secondly to each of;
2. Janet Frater or Hawkins my daughter, relict of Peter Hawkins, Melbourne, Australia.
3. Isabella Frater or Downie, also my daughter relict of Thomas Downie, New York, America.
4. Helen Frater or Cairns, also my daughter, wife of George Cairns, Joiner, Montreal, Canada.
5. Morris Frater, Joiner, Main Street, Tollcross, near Glasgow also my son.
The sum of Thirty Pounds each.

1841 Scottish census from ancestry.com
Civil parish: Cumbernauld County: Dunbartonshire Address: Southside Of Main Street Parish Number: 495
Household Members: Name Age
Moris Frater 30
Jean Frater 30
Isabella Frater 12
Helen Frater 10
Janet Frater 8
John Frater 4
Joseph Frater 2
Moris Frater 1
John Lawrie 20
Jean Aulch 15

1851 scottish cesnsus
addresss: Main
Street, Cumbernauld.
Marris Frater, age 43, Head, born Polmont, Stirlingshire, Occupation: Carrier.
Helen D Frater, age 20, daughter, born St Ninans, Stirlingshire, Occupation: House Reeper (sic).
John D Frater, age 14, son, born Cumbernauld, Scholar.
Joseph D Frater, age 12, son, born Cumbernauld, Scholar.
Morris D Frater, age 10, son, born Cumbernauld, Scholar.

1861 census of Cumbernauld:
address: Main Street South Side Chalmers Land.
Morris Frater, age 52, Head, born Volmont, Shirlingsh, Occupation: Carrier.
Joseph Frater, age 21, Son, born Cumbernauld. Occupation: Carrier.
Isabella Duncan, age 38, Servant, born Cumbernauld. Occupation: Domestic Servant.

1881 census (details in email from Sandra Reid 1.2.2008)
Dwelling: Main Street
Census Place: Cumbernauld, Dumbarton, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203548 GRO Ref Volume 495 Enum Dist 8 Page 13
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Morris FRATER W 70 M Redding, Stirling, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: Carrier
Morris FRATER U 19 M Cumbernauld, Dunbarton, Scotland
Rel: Grandson
Occ: General Servant (Domestic)
Mary MARSHALL W 46 F Gargell, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Servant
Occ: Housekeeper

Jennett KAYE

details from Leicester John Frater family Tree Document
Servant

1841 Scottish census from ancestry.com
Civil parish: Cumbernauld County: Dunbartonshire Address: Southside Of Main Street Parish Number: 495
Household Members: Name Age
Moris Frater 30
Jean Frater 30
Isabella Frater 12
Helen Frater 10
Janet Frater 8
John Frater 4
Joseph Frater 2
Moris Frater 1
John Lawrie 20
Jean Aulch 15

26. Isabella FRATER

details from Leicester John Frater family Tree Document
1841 Scottish census from ancestry.com
Civil parish: Cumbernauld County: Dunbartonshire Address: Southside Of Main Street Parish Number: 495
Household Members: Name Age
Moris Frater 30
Jean Frater 30
Isabella Frater 12
Helen Frater 10
Janet Frater 8
John Frater 4
Joseph Frater 2
Moris Frater 1
John Lawrie 20
Jean Aulch 15

Thomas DOWNIE

from will of father-in-law
1. Isabella Frater or Downie, also my daughter relict of Thomas Downie, New York, America.

28. Janet FRATER

details from Leicester John Frater family Tree Document
1841 Scottish census from ancestry.com
Civil parish: Cumbernauld County: Dunbartonshire Address: Southside Of Main Street Parish Number: 495
Household Members: Name Age
Moris Frater 30
Jean Frater 30
Isabella Frater 12
Helen Frater 10
Janet Frater 8
John Frater 4
Joseph Frater 2
Moris Frater 1
John Lawrie 20
Jean Aulch 15

Peter HAWKINS

from Father-in-law's will
1. Janet Frater or Hawkins my daughter, relict of Peter Hawkins, Melbourne, Australia.

18. Alexander FRATER

from Brian Reeds
Regarding Helen DICK who became a FRATER:

My wife is a FRATER and showed me the following about Helen from a death register:
Helen FRATER - Pauper - Widow of John FRATER - Labourer - died 9th January 1867 at Redding, Polmont, age 87 years.
Her parents were given as Morris DICK, Labourer (dec) and Christian DICK maiden surname GRAY (dec)
The informant was Alexander FRATER, Son, of Redding, Polmont.

30.3.2008
1851 census Falkirk 318
Enum Book 9/1 Page 56 Family No 10 Entries 17, 18, 19 & 20
Alexander FRATER 35 born Redding Stirling
Mary FRATER 29 born Laureston Stirling
Mary FRATER 3 born Laureston Stirling
Helen FRATER 6m born Laureston Stirling

Mary RAMSAY

30.3.2008
1851 census Falkirk 318
Enum Book 9/1 Page 56 Family No 10 Entries 17, 18, 19 & 20
Alexander FRATER 35 born Redding Stirling
Mary FRATER 29 born Laureston Stirling
Mary FRATER 3 born Laureston Stirling
Helen FRATER 6m born Laureston Stirling

21. John FRATER

28 Aug 2003
Received a letter from Conrad Frater with copy of tree produced by his father Edward C Frater.

This is the only John born in Polmont of the same time period. So it is an educated guess
1861 census
Agness Frater Age: 50 Estimated birth year: abt 1811 Relationship: Wife Gender: Female Where born: Campsie, Stirlingshire
Registration Number: 476 Registration district: Denny Civil parish: Denny Town: Denny County: Stirlingshire
Address: Flighers Ship Stirling St ED: 3 Page: 24 Household schedule number: 142 Line: 21 Roll: CSSCT1861_63
Spouse's name : John
Household Members: Name Age
John Frater 58
Agness Frater 50
Janes Frater 15
Wm Frater 18

Agnes

This is the only John born in Polmont of the same time period. So it is an educated guess
1861 census
Agness Frater Age: 50 Estimated birth year: abt 1811 Relationship: Wife Gender: Female Where born: Campsie, Stirlingshire
Registration Number: 476 Registration district: Denny Civil parish: Denny Town: Denny County: Stirlingshire
Address: Flighers Ship Stirling St ED: 3 Page: 24 Household schedule number: 142 Line: 21 Roll: CSSCT1861_63
Spouse's name : John
Household Members: Name Age
John Frater 58
Agness Frater 50
Janes Frater 15
Wm Frater 18

35. James FRATER

This is the only John born in Polmont of the same time period. So it is an educated guess
1861 census
Agness Frater Age: 50 Estimated birth year: abt 1811 Relationship: Wife Gender: Female Where born: Campsie, Stirlingshire
Registration Number: 476 Registration district: Denny Civil parish: Denny Town: Denny County: Stirlingshire
Address: Flighers Ship Stirling St ED: 3 Page: 24 Household schedule number: 142 Line: 21 Roll: CSSCT1861_63
Spouse's name : John
Household Members: Name Age
John Frater 58
Agness Frater 50
Janes Frater 15
Wm Frater 18

36. William FRATER

This is the only John born in Polmont of the same time period. So it is an educated guess
1861 census
Agness Frater Age: 50 Estimated birth year: abt 1811 Relationship: Wife Gender: Female Where born: Campsie, Stirlingshire
Registration Number: 476 Registration district: Denny Civil parish: Denny Town: Denny County: Stirlingshire
Address: Flighers Ship Stirling St ED: 3 Page: 24 Household schedule number: 142 Line: 21 Roll: CSSCT1861_63
Spouse's name : John
Household Members: Name Age
John Frater 58
Agness Frater 50
Janes Frater 15
Wm Frater 18

22. Margaret FRATER

email from Jack MILLS
1851 cens 644-2 (614) Ed 18 p 14 (Gorbals Proper)
17 Portugal St.
James FRATER, head, widower, 69, carpet weaver, b Polmont, STI
William FRATER, son, u/m 24, carpet weaver, b Glasgow, LKS
Margaret BELL, daur, marr, 32, --------- b Glasgow
Margaret BELL, gr-daur, 9, --------- b Glasgow

based on correspondence from Leicester Frater of NZ the following details were added
all details
28 Aug 2003
Received a letter from Conrad Frater with copy of tree produced by his father Edward C Frater.

1861 census
William Frater Age: 38 Estimated birth year: abt 1823 Relationship: Brother Gender: Male Where born: Glasgow, Lanark
ED: 99 Page: 5
Registration Number: 644/10 Registration district: Hutchesontown Civil parish: Glasgow Gorbals County: Lanarkshire
Household schedule number: 21 Address: 17 Portugal Street
Occupation: Wool Weaver
Roll: CSSCT1861_113
Household Members: Name Age
MRS. Bell 42
Margaret Bell 19
William Frater 38

1871 census details got by Maria Williams 18.3.2007
1871 Scotland Census
Registration Number: 810 Registration district: Wilton Civil parish: Wilton County: Roxburghshire
Address: 12 Dickson Street
Page: 7
Household schedule number: 24
Line: 8
Roll: CSSCT1871_181
Name Age Est born Rel Mother Gender born
Margaret Bell 50 1821 Head - Female N K, Berwickshire
Helen Bell 34 1837 Daur Margaret Female N K, Berwickshire Seamster
John Bell 17 1854 Son Margaret Male Kelso, Roxburghshire Mason's (apprentice)
Thomas Bell 15 1856 Son Margaret Male Kelso, Roxburghshire Woollen-mill-worker
Archibald Bell 11 1860 Son Margaret Male Kelso, Roxburghshire Scholar
Mary Ann Bell 8 Daur Margaret Female Kelso, Roxburghshire Scholar

Description:
The 1871 Census for Scotland was taken on the night of 2/3 April 1871. The following information was requested: place, name, relationship to head of family, marital status, age, gender, profession, birthplace, and whether blind, deaf, and dumb.

1881 census (possible entry for Thomas BELL & Margaret FRATER)
12 Fort Street, Westoe, Durham, England
PRO RG11 Piece/Folio 5012/22 Page 38
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation
Thomas BELL Head M Male 63 Scotland Engine Fitter
Margaret BELL Wife M Female 60 Scotland
Ellen BELL Daur U Female 34 Scotland Bible Reader (Missionary)
Archibald BELL Son U Male 21 Scotland Tailor
Mary BELL Daur U Female 18 Scotland
William Robt. COCKS Visitor U Male 20 Morpeth, Northumberland, England Bank Clerk
Robert COCKS Boarder U Male 18 Morpeth, Northumberland, England Engine Fitter At Works

Thomas BELL

based on correspondence from Leicester Frater of NZ the following details were added
all details

28 Aug 2003
Received a letter from Conrad Frater with copy of tree produced by his father Edward C Frater.

1871 census details from Maria Williams 18.3.2007
114 Church Road, North Shields, Tynemouth
Hannah McMullan Head Widow 66 Lodging House Keeper North Shields, Northumberland
Charles Brown Boarder UnM 38 Seaman France
William Bell Boarder UnM 22 Tailor Scotland
Thomas Bell Boarder UnM 53 Engine Fitter Scotland
Henry Newton Boarder UnM 23 Seaman Hull, Yorkshire
Charles ?ack Boarder UnM 24 Seaman ?
George Jameson Boarder UnM 24 Seaman Newcastle

1881 census (possible entry for Thomas BELL & Margaret FRATER)
12 Fort Street, Westoe, Durham, England
PRO RG11 Piece/Folio 5012/22 Page 38
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation
Thomas BELL Head M Male 63 Scotland Engine Fitter
Margaret BELL Wife M Female 60 Scotland
Ellen BELL Daur U Female 34 Scotland Bible Reader (Missionary)
Archibald BELL Son U Male 21 Scotland Tailor
Mary BELL Daur U Female 18 Scotland
William Robt. COCKS Visitor U Male 20 Morpeth, Northumberland, England Bank Clerk
Robert COCKS Boarder U Male 18 Morpeth, Northumberland, England Engine Fitter At Works

37. Margaret BELL

email from Jack MILLS
1851 cens 644-2 (614) Ed 18 p 14 (Gorbals Proper)
17 Portugal St.
James FRATER, head, widower, 69, carpet weaver, b Polmont, STI
William FRATER, son, u/m 24, carpet weaver, b Glasgow, LKS
Margaret BELL, daur, marr, 32, --------- b Glasgow
Margaret BELL, gr-daur, 9, --------- b Glasgow
1861 census
William Frater Age: 38 Estimated birth year: abt 1823 Relationship: Brother Gender: Male Where born: Glasgow, Lanark
ED: 99 Page: 5
Registration Number: 644/10 Registration district: Hutchesontown Civil parish: Glasgow Gorbals County: Lanarkshire
Household schedule number: 21 Address: 17 Portugal Street
Occupation: Wool Weaver
Roll: CSSCT1861_113
Household Members: Name Age
MRS. Bell 42
Margaret Bell 19
William Frater 38
based on correspondence from Leicester Frater of NZ the following details were added
all details
28 Aug 2003
Received a letter from Conrad Frater with copy of tree produced by his father Edward C Frater.

38. Helen BELL

1871 census details got by Maria Williams 18.3.2007
1871 Scotland Census
Registration Number: 810 Registration district: Wilton Civil parish: Wilton County: Roxburghshire
Address: 12 Dickson Street
Page: 7 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 24
Line: 8
Roll: CSSCT1871_181
Name Age Est born Rel Mother Gender born
Margaret Bell 50 1821 Head - Female N K, Berwickshire
Helen Bell 34 1837 Daur Margaret Female N K, Berwickshire Seamster
John Bell 17 1854 Son Margaret Male Kelso, Roxburghshire Mason's (apprentice)
Thomas Bell 15 1856 Son Margaret Male Kelso, Roxburghshire Woollen-mill-worker
Archibald Bell 11 1860 Son Margaret Male Kelso, Roxburghshire Scholar
Mary Ann Bell 8 Daur Margaret Female Kelso, Roxburghshire Scholar
Description:
The 1871 Census for Scotland was taken on the night of 2/3 April 1871. The following information was requested: place, name, relationship to head of family, marital status, age, gender, profession, birthplace, and whether blind, deaf, and dumb.
1881 census (possible entry for Thomas BELL & Margaret FRATER)
12 Fort Street, Westoe, Durham, England
PRO RG11 Piece/Folio 5012/22 Page 38
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation
Thomas BELL Head M Male 63 Scotland Engine Fitter
Margaret BELL Wife M Female 60 Scotland
Ellen BELL Daur U Female 34 Scotland Bible Reader (Missionary)
Archibald BELL Son U Male 21 Scotland Tailor
Mary BELL Daur U Female 18 Scotland
William Robt. COCKS Visitor U Male 20 Morpeth, Northumberland, England Bank Clerk
Robert COCKS Boarder U Male 18 Morpeth, Northumberland, England Engine Fitter At Works

40. John BELL

1871 census details got by Maria Williams 18.3.2007
1871 Scotland Census
Registration Number: 810 Registration district: Wilton Civil parish: Wilton County: Roxburghshire
Address: 12 Dickson Street
Page: 7 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 24
Line: 8
Roll: CSSCT1871_181
Name Age Est born Rel Mother Gender born
Margaret Bell 50 1821 Head - Female N K, Berwickshire
Helen Bell 34 1837 Daur Margaret Female N K, Berwickshire Seamster
John Bell 17 1854 Son Margaret Male Kelso, Roxburghshire Mason's (apprentice)
Thomas Bell 15 1856 Son Margaret Male Kelso, Roxburghshire Woollen-mill-worker
Archibald Bell 11 1860 Son Margaret Male Kelso, Roxburghshire Scholar
Mary Ann Bell 8 Daur Margaret Female Kelso, Roxburghshire Scholar
Description:
The 1871 Census for Scotland was taken on the night of 2/3 April 1871. The following information was requested: place, name, relationship to head of family, marital status, age, gender, profession, birthplace, and whether blind, deaf, and dumb.

41. Thomas BELL

1871 census details got by Maria Williams 18.3.2007
1871 Scotland Census
Registration Number: 810 Registration district: Wilton Civil parish: Wilton County: Roxburghshire
Address: 12 Dickson Street
Page: 7 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 24
Line: 8
Roll: CSSCT1871_181
Name Age Est born Rel Mother Gender born
Margaret Bell 50 1821 Head - Female N K, Berwickshire
Helen Bell 34 1837 Daur Margaret Female N K, Berwickshire Seamster
John Bell 17 1854 Son Margaret Male Kelso, Roxburghshire Mason's (apprentice)
Thomas Bell 15 1856 Son Margaret Male Kelso, Roxburghshire Woollen-mill-worker
Archibald Bell 11 1860 Son Margaret Male Kelso, Roxburghshire Scholar
Mary Ann Bell 8 Daur Margaret Female Kelso, Roxburghshire Scholar
Description:
The 1871 Census for Scotland was taken on the night of 2/3 April 1871. The following information was requested: place, name, relationship to head of family, marital status, age, gender, profession, birthplace, and whether blind, deaf, and dumb.

42. Archibald BELL

1871 census details got by Maria Williams 18.3.2007
1871 Scotland Census
Registration Number: 810 Registration district: Wilton Civil parish: Wilton County: Roxburghshire
Address: 12 Dickson Street
Page: 7 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 24
Line: 8
Roll: CSSCT1871_181
Name Age Est born Rel Mother Gender born
Margaret Bell 50 1821 Head - Female N K, Berwickshire
Helen Bell 34 1837 Daur Margaret Female N K, Berwickshire Seamster
John Bell 17 1854 Son Margaret Male Kelso, Roxburghshire Mason's (apprentice)
Thomas Bell 15 1856 Son Margaret Male Kelso, Roxburghshire Woollen-mill-worker
Archibald Bell 11 1860 Son Margaret Male Kelso, Roxburghshire Scholar
Mary Ann Bell 8 Daur Margaret Female Kelso, Roxburghshire Scholar
Description:
The 1871 Census for Scotland was taken on the night of 2/3 April 1871. The following information was requested: place, name, relationship to head of family, marital status, age, gender, profession, birthplace, and whether blind, deaf, and dumb.
1881 census (possible entry for Thomas BELL & Margaret FRATER)
12 Fort Street, Westoe, Durham, England
PRO RG11 Piece/Folio 5012/22 Page 38
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation
Thomas BELL Head M Male 63 Scotland Engine Fitter
Margaret BELL Wife M Female 60 Scotland
Ellen BELL Daur U Female 34 Scotland Bible Reader (Missionary)
Archibald BELL Son U Male 21 Scotland Tailor
Mary BELL Daur U Female 18 Scotland
William Robt. COCKS Visitor U Male 20 Morpeth, Northumberland, England Bank Clerk
Robert COCKS Boarder U Male 18 Morpeth, Northumberland, England Engine Fitter At Works

43. Mary Ann BELL

1871 census details got by Maria Williams 18.3.2007
1871 Scotland Census
Registration Number: 810 Registration district: Wilton Civil parish: Wilton County: Roxburghshire
Address: 12 Dickson Street
Page: 7 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 24
Line: 8
Roll: CSSCT1871_181
Name Age Est born Rel Mother Gender born
Margaret Bell 50 1821 Head - Female N K, Berwickshire
Helen Bell 34 1837 Daur Margaret Female N K, Berwickshire Seamster
John Bell 17 1854 Son Margaret Male Kelso, Roxburghshire Mason's (apprentice)
Thomas Bell 15 1856 Son Margaret Male Kelso, Roxburghshire Woollen-mill-worker
Archibald Bell 11 1860 Son Margaret Male Kelso, Roxburghshire Scholar
Mary Ann Bell 8 Daur Margaret Female Kelso, Roxburghshire Scholar
Description:
The 1871 Census for Scotland was taken on the night of 2/3 April 1871. The following information was requested: place, name, relationship to head of family, marital status, age, gender, profession, birthplace, and whether blind, deaf, and dumb.
1881 census (possible entry for Thomas BELL & Margaret FRATER)
12 Fort Street, Westoe, Durham, England
PRO RG11 Piece/Folio 5012/22 Page 38
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation
Thomas BELL Head M Male 63 Scotland Engine Fitter
Margaret BELL Wife M Female 60 Scotland
Ellen BELL Daur U Female 34 Scotland Bible Reader (Missionary)
Archibald BELL Son U Male 21 Scotland Tailor
Mary BELL Daur U Female 18 Scotland
William Robt. COCKS Visitor U Male 20 Morpeth, Northumberland, England Bank Clerk
Robert COCKS Boarder U Male 18 Morpeth, Northumberland, England Engine Fitter At Works

23. James FRATER

email from George Whitelaw 22.5.2005
I have found on the Index 1841 census this family of Fraters living
in the Gorbals Glasgow.
James age 55
Margaret age 50
James age 20
William age 18
Alexander age 13

email from Barbara Nelleson 27.5.2005
Piece: SCT1841/644/ 2 Place: Glasgow-Lanarkshire Enumeration District: 58Civil Parish: Gorbals Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -Folio: 21 Page: 1Address: Portugal StreetSurname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
FRATER James M 55 Carpet Weaver Outside Census County (1841)
FRATER Margaret F 50 Outside Census County (1841)
FRATER James M 20 Compositor Lanarkshire
FRATER William M 18 Carpet Weaver Lanarkshire
FRATER Alexander M 13 Calico Printer Lanarkshire

The link of James b1819 to James son of James b Polmont d. 1855 Glasgow was provided by Edward Charles research. This may have come from family stories or family documents that he had. Edward C would certainly have been able to get stories from his Grandfather William (James's son) as he lived until 1938. William may have talked about James (his father)'s family in Scotland. This is certainly feasible.

1851 census
HO 107/1507 Pg 49
St George Bloomsbury Finsbury
Schedule 251
James Frater Head Mar 31 Printer Compositor Scotland
Sarah A Frater Wife Mar 23 - Knightsbridge, Middlesex
James J Frater Son - 4 - St Andrews, Holborn, Middlesex
Edward Frater Son - 3 - Islington, Middlesex
Frederick Frater Son - 1 Islington, Middlesex

1861 census
Pentonville District 7 Clerkenwell St James Middlesex
RG 9/196 Page 65
Schedule 389 29 North Avenue
James FRATER Head M 41 Compositor Scotland
Sarah FRATER Wife M 33 - *, Middlesex
James FRATER Son S 15 French Polisher St Andrews, Holborn, Middlesex
Edward FRATER Son S 13 French Polisher Islington, Middlesex
Frederick FRATER Son S 11 Scholar Islington, Middlesex
Oliver FRATER Son S 9 Scholar Bloomsbury, Middlesex
Harry FRATER Son S 7 Scholar St Andrews, Holborn, Middlesex
Eliza FRATER daur S 5 - St Mary, Islington, Middlesex
William FRATER Son S 2 Scholar St Pancras, Islington, Middlesex
Arthur FRATER Son S 1 Scholar Clerkenwell, Middlesex

James also lived in 6 Charlotte Street during the 1871 census.
RG10/259 Registration district: Islington
Folio:49 Page: 19 Household schedule number: 120
6 Charlotte Street
Name Age in 1871 Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County/Island
J Frater 52 Scotland Head Islington All Saints London Printer Compositor
L K (possibly F K) Frater 21 Islington Son Islington All Saints London Cabinet Maker
Hy G Frater 17 Marylebone Son Islington All Saints London
Wm Frater 13 St Pancras Son Islington All Saints London
Arthur Frater 11 Islington Son Islington All Saints London

Is this the right James from 1881 Census
Dwelling: 6 Charlotte Terrace Census Place: Islington, London, Middlesex, England Source: FHL Film 1341050 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0231 Folio 79 Page 21 Marr Age Sex Birthplace
James FRATER M 61 F Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Printer Compositor
Eliza D. FRATER U 25 F Islington, Middlesex, England Rel: Daur Occ: Machinist
Arthur FRATER U 21 M Islington, Middlesex, England Rel: Son Occ: Chair & Sofa Wood Carver

1891 census
11 Gainford Street, Islington
RG12/155 Page 19/166
James FRATER head married 71 Printer Compositor Scotland
Arthur FRATER son Single 32 C* Islington, London

based on correspondence from Leicester Frater of NZ the following details were added
occ: compositor born in 1819 not 1820

Date taken from chart got from Christine. Her source is unknown.
on marriage at 20 July 1845 he was compositor

28 Aug 2003
Received a letter from Conrad Frater with copy of tree produced by his father Edward C Frater. This shows him married on 20 July 1845 in ST. Paul's Middlesex. He is shown as being a compositor.

Sarah Ann WELCH

Believed to have found a link in Knightsbridge. Contacted Mike WELCH to discuss possible link. Both his Welch and Titchiner families were in the printing business as was James FRATER. The locale and dates match and so there is a possibility. Mike suggests that there is a possibility that Sarah Ann is the daughter of John Welch. KF has contacted St Paul's, Wilton Place to see where the Parish Records are kept to check the records. Am awaiting a reply.

based on correspondence from Leicester Frater of NZ the following details were added
surname Welch place of birth Knightsbridge and year of birth 1827

28 Aug 2003
Received a letter from Conrad Frater with copy of tree produced by his father Edward C Frater. This is the source for Leicester.

1851 census
HO 107/1507 Pg 49
St George Bloomsbury Finsbury
Schedule 251
James Frater Head Mar 31 Printer Compositor Scotland
Sarah A Frater Wife Mar 23 - Knightsbridge, Middlesex
James J Frater Son - 4 - St Andrews, Holborn, Middlesex
Edward Frater Son - 3 - Islington, Middlesex
Frederick Frater Son - 1 Islington, Middlesex

1861 census
Pentonville District 7 Clerkenwell St James Middlesex
RG 9/196 Page 65
Schedule 389 29 North Avenue
James FRATER Head M 41 Compositor Scotland
Sarah FRATER Wife M 33 - *, Middlesex
James FRATER Son S 15 French Polisher St Andrews, Holborn, Middlesex
Edward FRATER Son S 13 French Polisher Islington, Middlesex
Frederick FRATER Son S 11 Scholar Islington, Middlesex
Oliver FRATER Son S 9 Scholar Bloomsbury, Middlesex
Harry FRATER Son S 7 Scholar St Andrews, Holborn, Middlesex
Eliza FRATER daur S 5 - St Mary, Islington, Middlesex
William FRATER Son S 2 Scholar St Pancras, Islington, Middlesex
Arthur FRATER Son S 1 Scholar Clerkenwell, Middlesex

on the 1871 Census this was found
(why was she not living with James (husband)
12 Drummond Crescent, St Pancras
Mary Richardson Head ? 50 Laundress Middlesex, St Pancras
Sarah Frater Wife Married 41 Seamstress Middlesex, Kensington
Eliza Frater Daughter Unmarried 16 Seamstres Middlesex, Islington

Why was she living with a Mary Richardson? Mary is found in 1881 living with her brother and showing as unmarried. Where is Sarah at this point. in 1881 Eliza is living with her father in Charlotte Terrace. Is Sarah working in another Household in 1881 but the family surname is mis-translated? or is the entry below correct?

Possible birth from IGI. Only one with father John:
Sarah Ann WELCH b: 31 Aug 1826 c: 24 Sept 1826 St James, Westminster, London to John WELCH and Sarah

46. Frederick FRATER

based on correspondence from Leicester Frater of NZ the following details were added
born 1850
28 Aug 2003
Received a letter from Conrad Frater with copy of tree produced by his father Edward C Frater.
1851 census
HO 107/1507 Pg 49
St George Bloomsbury Finsbury
Schedule 251
James Frater Head Mar 31 Printer Compositor Scotland
Sarah A Frater Wife Mar 23 - Knightsbridge, Middlesex
James J Frater Son - 4 - St Andrews, Holborn, Middlesex
Edward Frater Son - 3 - Islington, Middlesex
Frederick Frater Son - 1 Islington, Middlesex
1861 census
Pentonville District 7 Clerkenwell St James Middlesex
RG 9/196 Page 65
Schedule 389 29 North Avenue
James FRATER Head M 41 Compositor Scotland
Sarah FRATER Wife M 33 - *, Middlesex
James FRATER Son S 15 French Polisher St Andrews, Holborn, Middlesex
Edward FRATER Son S 13 French Polisher Islington, Middlesex
Frederick FRATER Son S 11 Scholar Islington, Middlesex
Oliver FRATER Son S 9 Scholar Bloomsbury, Middlesex
Harry FRATER Son S 7 Scholar St Andrews, Holborn, Middlesex
Eliza FRATER daur S 5 - St Mary, Islington, Middlesex
William FRATER Son S 2 Scholar St Pancras, Islington, Middlesex
Arthur FRATER Son S 1 Scholar Clerkenwell, Middlesex
James also lived in 6 Charlotte Street during the 1871 census.
RG10/259 Registration district: Islington Sub-registration district: Islington West
ED, institution, or vessel: 26 Folio: 49 Page: 19
Household schedule number: 120
6 Charlotte Street
Name Age in 1871 Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County/Island
J Frater 52 Scotland Head Islington All Saints London Printer Compositor
L K (possibly F K) Frater 21 Islington Son Islington All Saints London Cabinet Maker
Hy G Frater 17 Marylebone Son Islington All Saints London
Wm Frater 13 St Pancras Son Islington All Saints London
Arthur Frater 11 Islington Son Islington All Saints London
1881 census
Possible entry for Frederick (cannot find any other entry). Year of birth matches and occupation is in the Printing trade. James (Father) was a Printer Compositer. This makes it a sensible choice for mispelling.
16 Euston St London, Middlesex, England
Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 0198 / 107 Page Number 29
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Frederick FRASER Head M Male 31 London, London, Middlesex, EnglandLithographer
Martha FRASER Wife M Female 27 London, London, Middlesex, England
Another possibility is
112 Gloucester Road London, Middlesex, England
Family History Library Film 1341040
Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 0183 / 118 Page Number 5
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Frederick FRASER Head M Male 33 Camberwell, Surrey, England Piano Forte Maker
Emily FRASER Wife M Female 30 St Pancras, Middlesex, England
Emily FRASER Daur Female 4 St Pancras, Middlesex, England
Frederick FRASER Son Male 2 St Pancras, Middlesex, England
Louisa FRASER Daur Female 1 St Pancras, Middlesex, England
And anorther possibility (picked because in 1871 he is shown as a Cabinet Maker. So he may have changed to a French Polisher.
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Margaret MULLIGAN Head W Female 58 Westminster, Middlesex, England Glass Mender
Frederick FRAZER Son U Male 28 Westminster, Middlesex, England French Polisher
George T. MULLIGAN Son U Male 18 St George Southwark, Surrey, England Railway Carman
John T. FRAZER Grandson Male 9 Lambeth, Surrey, England Scholar
William H. COLEMAN Brother U Male 13 Westminster, Middlesex, England Warehouseman
Nathaniel ODDY Lodger U Male 18 Brighton, Sussex, England Cook N D
Dwelling 290 Waterloo Rd, Southwark St George Martyr, Surrey, England
PRO Ref RG11 Piece/Folio 0530/129 Page No 27
This is a possible death BMD entry for Frederick
Deaths Sep 1887
Frater Frederick 38 Shoreditch 1c 104

51. Arthur FRATER

1861 census
Pentonville District 7 Clerkenwell St James Middlesex
RG 9/196 Page 65
Schedule 389 29 North Avenue
James FRATER Head M 41 Compositor Scotland
Sarah FRATER Wife M 33 - *, Middlesex
James FRATER Son S 15 French Polisher St Andrews, Holborn, Middlesex
Edward FRATER Son S 13 French Polisher Islington, Middlesex
Frederick FRATER Son S 11 Scholar Islington, Middlesex
Oliver FRATER Son S 9 Scholar Bloomsbury, Middlesex
Harry FRATER Son S 7 Scholar St Andrews, Holborn, Middlesex
Eliza FRATER daur S 5 - St Mary, Islington, Middlesex
William FRATER Son S 2 Scholar St Pancras, Islington, Middlesex
Arthur FRATER Son S 1 Scholar Clerkenwell, Middlesex
James also lived in 6 Charlotte Street during the 1871 census.
RG10/259 Registration district: Islington Sub-registration district: Islington West
ED, institution, or vessel: 26 Folio: 49 Page: 19
Household schedule number: 120
6 Charlotte Street
Name Age in 1871 Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County/Island
J Frater 52 Scotland Head Islington All Saints London Printer Compositor
L K (possibly F K) Frater 21 Islington Son Islington All Saints London Cabinet Maker
Hy G Frater 17 Marylebone Son Islington All Saints London
Wm Frater 13 St Pancras Son Islington All Saints London
Arthur Frater 11 Islington Son Islington All Saints London
1881 Census
Dwelling: 6 Charlotte Terrace Census Place: Islington, London, Middlesex, England Source: FHL Film 1341050 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0231 Folio 79 Page 21Name Marr Age Sex BirthplaceJames FRATER M 61 F Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Printer CompositorEliza D. FRATER U 25 F Islington, Middlesex, England Rel: Daur Occ: MachinistArthur FRATER U 21 M Islington, Middlesex, England Rel: Son Occ: Chair & Sofa Wood Carver
1891 census
11 Gainford Street, Islington
RG12/155 Page 19/166
James FRATER head married 71 Printer Compositor Scotland
Arthur FRATER son Single 32 C* Islington, London
1901 census
15 Busaco Street, Clerkenwell London (near brother William? at 11 Busaco St in 1891)
Arthur FRATER Head married 41 undecipherable labourer worker Islington
Charlotte FRATER wife married 33 undecipherable florist worker Holborn

Charlotte WATLING

1901 census
15 Busaco Street, Clerkenwell London (near brother William? at 11 Busaco St in 1891)
Arthur FRATER Head married 41 undecipherable labourer worker Islington
Charlotte FRATER wife married 33 undecipherable florist worker Holborn