Emma first appears in records m the 1841 census for Price Street in the district of St. Mary's. This census was taken in June 1841. I found this entry on 1841, Birmingham 4+, HO 107/1143 for House 2, Court 15, Price St. (Price Street seems to have run between Loveday St. and Lancaster Street more or less where St. Chad's Ringway now runs at the back of the Dental Hospital. St.Mary's Church was built as an annexe of St. Martin's from l779 onwards: elegant Georgian terraces once surrounded it. It became a Parish C'hurch in the 1830s but fell into decline and was eventually demolished. Price Street did not contain elegant Georgian houses but rather the smelly, insanitary courts ol back-to-back houses inhabited by the working classes of old Birmingham. In 1835 Price Street was on the northernmost edge of Birmingham.
1841, court 15, House 2. Price St.
William SHORT (Head), aged 40, Iron Caster, born Warwickshire
Mary Ann SHORT(Wife), aged 40 born outside the county.
Eliza SHORT (daughter), aged 15, born Warwickshire
Thomas SHORT (son), aged 15, born Warwickshire,
William SHORT(son), aged 10, born Warwickshire
Mary SHORT (daughter), aged 10, born Warwickshire
Emma SHORT (daughter), aged 6, born Warwickshire
James SHORT(son), aged 3, born Warwickshire
John SHORT (son), aged 1, born WarwickshireThis census was taken in April of 1851.
Census Ref. Aston, Duddeston. 2061.714/26
Bloomsbury St. (no number given)
Head, William SHORT, aged 50, Iron Cutter, born Birmingham Warwickshire
Wife, Mary SHORT, aged 52, born Scotland
Son, James SHORT, aged 13, Iron Cutter, born Birmingham, Warwickshire
Son, John, aged 11, Scholar, born Birmingham Warwickshire.1861 Cen. William living 45 Sheep St, Birmingham St Peter; occupation: Iron Founder; with son John - Iron Caster
m(2) bef. 1871 SH2.1BS Selina b. 1829 Birmingham. No children by second marriage1871 Cen. Living at 364 Nechells Park, Duddeston & Nechells, Birmingham with second wife and grandson John William SMITH, son of daughter Eliza Stone SHORT and John SMITH b. 1861/2 Birmingham
John SHORT's birth certificate gives his mother's name as Mary Ann SHORT, nee Marshall.
Emma first appears in records m the 1841 census for Price Street in the district of St. Mary's. This census was taken in June 1841. I found this entry on 1841, Birmingham 4+, HO 107/1143 for House 2, Court 15, Price St. (Price Street seems to have run between Loveday St. and Lancaster Street more or less where St. Chad's Ringway now runs at the back of the Dental Hospital. St.Mary's Church was built as an annexe of St. Martin's from l779 onwards: elegant Georgian terraces once surrounded it. It became a Parish C'hurch in the 1830s but fell into decline and was eventually demolished. Price Street did not contain elegant Georgian houses but rather the smelly, insanitary courts ol back-to-back houses inhabited by the working classes of old Birmingham. In 1835 Price Street was on the northernmost edge of Birmingham.
1841, court 15, House 2. Price St.
William SHORT (Head), aged 40, Iron Caster, born Warwickshire
Mary Ann SHORT(Wife), aged 40 born outside the county.
Eliza SHORT (daughter), aged 15, born Warwickshire
Thomas SHORT (son), aged 15, born Warwickshire,
William SHORT(son), aged 10, born Warwickshire
Mary SHORT (daughter), aged 10, born Warwickshire
Emma SHORT (daughter), aged 6, born Warwickshire
James SHORT(son), aged 3, born Warwickshire
John SHORT (son), aged 1, born WarwickshireThis census was taken in April of 1851.
Census Ref. Aston, Duddeston. 2061.714/26
Bloomsbury St. (no number given)
Head, William SHORT, aged 50, Iron Cutter, born Birmingham Warwickshire
Wife, Mary SHORT, aged 52, born Scotland
Son, James SHORT, aged 13, Iron Cutter, born Birmingham, Warwickshire
Son, John, aged 11, Scholar, born Birmingham Warwickshire.
13. Hannah SHORT
Note: death of a Hannah SHORT, aged 13, 20 Mar 1833 St Peter & Paul, Aston, Birmingham.
bpt. 19 Apr 1824 St Martin, Birmingham (source IGI). Was on here temporarily but following Eliza Stone SHORT being proved, Edward Woolley SHORT has also been included as child - same parents. Nothing further is known about this person. There is a rec. on NBI of an Edward SHORT bur. St Martin 14 Mar 1826 aged 2+ but it is not known whether 2+ means more than 2 or that the second digit of the age is unreadable.
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Previous marriage of Selina SLATER to unknown PARKES not traced. Daughters by previous m. rec. on 1861 cen as Mary C PARKES and Caroline A PARKES but b. not traced and not found on later Cens. despite young ages, but note Caroline A PORTER of correct age found with Selina SLATER’s parents in 1871. On 1851 (shown as NATER on Ancestry), Selina with parents, unmarried. On 1861 as Head of family, widow, with daughters and parents, shown on Ancestry as PARKER and parents wrongly rec. One known sibling Amelia Hargrove SLATER b. 17 Aug 1835, bpt. 12 Oct 1835, Handsworth.
It had been hoped that his second wife might have shown a link to witnesses at his first marrige and to an earlier SHORT/PARKES marriage. Unfortunately, Selina SLATER's first PARKES husband has not been found. If you find him - please let me know!
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1841 Cen. Living Canal Street, Birmingham parish, rec as Ellenor, age rounded down to 20, living with son William SHORT aged 6 and with parents rec. as Thomas & Ellenor SHORT.1851 Cen. Living Pritchett Street, Birmingham St Stephens with son John James by earlier relationship; husband and their daughter Ellen. Husband’s occupation: Boat Wharf Labourer
1861 Cen. 5 Bowyer Street, Deritend & Bordesley, Birmingham with husband - iron caster; children by earlier relationship(s) William - Musician & John James - Iron Wire Drawer; children of second marriage Ellen, Eliza Ann, & Charles Thomas. Also present 2 lodgers inc 1 blind, and a visitor
1871 Cen. At 2 Bowyer Street, Deritend & Bordesley, Birmingham with husband - labourer at iron works; child Charles Thomas - office boy at bedstead factory, also present 1 visitor.
1881 census
4 Thornton Blds, Aston, Warwick, England
PRO Ref RG11 Piece/Folio 3018/25 Page 3
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Charles JONES Head M Male 60 Birmingham General Labourer
Ellen JONES Wife M Female 64 BirminghamAmelia SHORT Dau In Law (Head) M Female 35 Birmingham Screw Worker
Charles SHORT Son Male 4 Woolwich Arsenal
Annie E. SHORT Dau Female 1 BirminghamGeorge S. JENKINS Son In Law (Head) M Male 31 Hay, Brecknock, Wales Labourer General
Eliza A. JENKINS Wife M Female 28 Aston, Warwick, England
Jane JENKINS Dau Female 1 Birmingham
Ellen LINES Lodger U Female 41 Birmingham Iron Bedstead Painter
William T. LINES Son Male 9 Birmingham Scholarbaptised with siblings Nathaniel & Samuel, first name rec. as ‘Hellen’ and parents rec. as Thomas & ‘Hellen’ SHORT
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1851 Cen. Living Pritchett Street, Birmingham St Stephens with wife; their daughter Ellen; her son John James by earlier relationship. Charles’s occupation: Boat Wharf Labourer1861 Cen. 5 Bowyer Street, Deritend & Bordesley, Birmingham with husband - iron caster; children by earlier relationship(s) William - Musician & John James - Iron Wire Drawer; children of second marriage Ellen, Eliza Ann, & Charles Thomas. Also present 2 lodgers inc 1 blind, and a visitor
1871 Cen. At 2 Bowyer Street, Deritend & Bordesley, Birmingham with husband - labourer at iron works; child Charles Thomas - office boy at bedstead factory, also present 1 visitor.
1881 census
4 Thornton Blds, Aston, Warwick, England
PRO Ref RG11 Piece/Folio 3018/25 Page 3
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Charles JONES Head M Male 60 Birmingham General Labourer
Ellen JONES Wife M Female 64 BirminghamAmelia SHORT Dau In Law (Head) M Female 35 Birmingham Screw Worker
Charles SHORT Son Male 4 Woolwich Arsenal
Annie E. SHORT Dau Female 1 BirminghamGeorge S. JENKINS Son In Law (Head) M Male 31 Hay, Brecknock, Wales Labourer General
Eliza A. JENKINS Wife M Female 28 Aston, Warwick, England
Jane JENKINS Dau Female 1 Birmingham
Ellen LINES Lodger U Female 41 Birmingham Iron Bedstead Painter
William T. LINES Son Male 9 Birmingham Scholar
24. Ellen JONES
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1851 Cen. Living Pritchett Street, Birmingham St Stephens with son John James by earlier relationship; husband and their daughter Ellen. Husband’s occupation: Boat Wharf Labourer1861 Cen. 5 Bowyer Street, Deritend & Bordesley, Birmingham with parents, brother, sister and half-brothers William SHORT & John James SHORT
Name JONES too common to establish positive identification in later Cens. at this stage without further corroboration
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1861 Cen. 5 Bowyer Street, Deritend & Bordesley, Birmingham with parents, sisters and half-brothers William SHORT & John James SHORT1871 Cen. At 2 Bowyer Street, Deritend & Bordesley, Birmingham with parents
Name JONES too common to establish positive identification in later Cens. at this stage without further corroboration
11. Nathaniel SHORT
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1851 Cen. Living Bordesley Park, Aston with ptnr. later wife 2.10BS Eliza BEDDISON or BEEDESON; children prob by first wife, Ann b. 1839/40 & Hannah b. 1841: child by ptnr/second wife, SH2.10BS Nathaniel Beddison SHORT b. abt. Jun 1850. Note did not m. Eliza until 1852. Occupation of Nathaniel (sen): Malleable Iron Caster. Large gap between b. of Hannah and Nathaniel may indicate earlier marriage (to check 1841 cen.)
m. 22 Feb 1852 St Martin, Birmingham Eliza BEDDISON or BEEDESON b. 1821/2 Birmingham
1861 Cen. Lodging -----Place, West Street, Doncaster, Yorkshire (former West Riding), widower, occupation: Moulder 1869 death of Nathaniel
email from Mike Short shows 1851 census of Nathaniel & Eliza living together. Two children An and Hannah are presumably from earlier marriage.
27. Ann SHORT
1851 Cen. Living Bordesley Park, Deritend & Bordesley, Aston with father, and his ptnr. later wife 2.10BS Eliza BEDDISON or BEEDESON; sister Hannah, and Nathaniel Beddison SHORT prob. half brother
28. Hannah SHORT
1851 Cen. Living Bordesley Park, Deritend & Bordesley, Aston with father, and his ptnr. later wife 2.10BS Eliza BEDDISON or BEEDESON; sister Ann, and Nathaniel Beddison SHORT prob. half brother
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1851 Cen. Living Bordesley Park, Deritend & Bordesley, Aston with ptnr/future husband Nathaniel SHORT b. 29 Nov 1818, Birmingham; two children, Ann & Hannah prob. by his first m.;& child Nathaniel Beddison SHORT.
1851 Cen. Living Bordesley Park, Deritend & Bordesley, Aston with parents; Ann & Hannah SHORT, prob. half sisters.
d. prob. 1852 (BMD entry Q Mar 1850)
12. Samuel SHORT
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1851 Cen. living at 12c Francis Street with Caroline, children Thomas, Jane and Sarah. Also living with them is 73 year old widowed ‘Ellen’ SHORT born ‘Mintrose’, Scotland. She is described as ‘Grandmother’ but is, almost certainly, Samuel’s mother Helen DEMPSTER. Samuel’s occupation: Iron Wire Drawer 1861 Cen. Living 71 Princip Street, Birmingham St George with wife; children Thomas, Jane, Sarah & Harriet; also present is ‘nephew’ Henry SHORT aged 4, b. Birmingham and this appears to be Samuel’s great-nephew Thomas Henry SHORT, son of William SHORT b. 1835 who was illeg. son of Samuel’s sister Helen/Ellen SHORT. Samuel’s occupation: Wire Drawer. 1871 Cen. Living 2 Anne Place, Woolwich St Mary, Kent with wife; child Harriet; ‘nephew’ Charles T TUNBRIDGE b. 1861/2, Birmingham shown as ‘nephew’ Charles T TIMBALL on the 1881 Cen. (This person has now been traced as Charles Thomas TIMBRELL/TIMBRILL b. 30 Oct 1861, bpt 12 Apr 1863 Aston Juxta, son of Frederick TIMBRELL & Charlotte CLARK(E), sister of wife Caroline CLARK(E)); and two lodgers who are Wire Drawers from Birmingham. Samuel’s occupation: Wire Drawer. Samuel & Caroline’s son Thomas and family are also living in Woolwich at this time. 1881 Cen. Living 159 Dartmouth St, Aston with wife and nephew Charles T. TIMBALL. Samuel’s occupation: Wire Drawer bef. 1891 death of Caroline 1891 Cen. Samuel living at 118 Winson Street, Rotton Park, Birmingham with his daughter Sarah., her husband Benjamin WILLIAMSON and their 8 children. Samuel is widower, occupation: Wire Drawer bef. 1901 death of Samuel SHORT
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1851 husband, children Thomas, Jane and Sarah. Also living with them is 73 year old widowed ‘Ellen’ SHORT born ‘Mintrose’, Scotland. She is described as ‘Grandmother’ but is, almost certainly, Samuel’s mother Helen DEMPSTER. Samuel’s occupation: Iron Wire Drawer
1861 Cen. Living 71 Princip Street, Birmingham St George with husband; children Thomas, Jane, Sarah & Harriet; also present is ‘nephew’ Henry SHORT aged 4, b. Birmingham and this appears to be husband’s great-nephew Thomas Henry SHORT, son of William SHORT b. 1835 who was illeg. son of Samuel’s sister Helen/Ellen SHORT. Samuel’s occupation: Wire Drawer.
1871 Cen. Living 2 Anne Place, Woolwich St Mary, Kent with husband; child Harriet; ‘nephew’ Charles T TUNBRIDGE b. 1861/2, Birmingham shown as ‘nephew’ Charles T TIMBALL on the 1881 Cen. (This person has now been traced as Charles Thomas TIMBRELL/TIMBRILL b. 30 oct 1861, bpt 12 Apr 1863 Aston Juxta, son of Frederick TIMBRELL & Charlotte CLARK(E), caroline’s sister); and two lodgers who are Wire Drawers from Birmingham. Samuel’s occupation: Wire Drawer. Samuel & Caroline’s son Thomas and family are also living in Woolwich at this time.
1881 Cen. Living 159 Dartmouth St, Aston with wife and nephew Charles T. TIMBALL. Samuel’s occupation: Wire Drawer
33. Jane SHORT
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1851 Cen. living at 12c Francis Street, Aston with parents1861 Cen. Living 71 Princip Street, Birmingham St George with parents
35. Harriet SHORT
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1861 Cen. Living 71 Princip Street, Birmingham St George with parents1871 Cen. Living 2 Anne Place, Woolwich St Mary, Kent with parents