Emma first appears in records m the 1841 census for Price Street in the district of St. Mary's. This census was taken in June 1841. I found this entry on 1841, Birmingham 4+, HO 107/1143 for House 2, Court 15, Price St. (Price Street seems to have run between Loveday St. and Lancaster Street more or less where St. Chad's Ringway now runs at the back of the Dental Hospital. St.Mary's Church was built as an annexe of St. Martin's from l779 onwards: elegant Georgian terraces once surrounded it. It became a Parish C'hurch in the 1830s but fell into decline and was eventually demolished. Price Street did not contain elegant Georgian houses but rather the smelly, insanitary courts ol back-to-back houses inhabited by the working classes of old Birmingham. In 1835 Price Street was on the northernmost edge of Birmingham.
1841, court 15, House 2. Price St.
William SHORT (Head), aged 40, Iron Caster, born Warwickshire
Mary Ann SHORT(Wife), aged 40 born outside the county.
Eliza SHORT (daughter), aged 15, born Warwickshire
Thomas SHORT (son), aged 15, born Warwickshire,
William SHORT(son), aged 10, born Warwickshire
Mary SHORT (daughter), aged 10, born Warwickshire
Emma SHORT (daughter), aged 6, born Warwickshire
James SHORT(son), aged 3, born Warwickshire
John SHORT (son), aged 1, born Warwickshireemail from Mike Short 8.4.2006
One child of this m. is known - John William SMITH b. 1861/2 is living with Eliza’s grandparents in 1871 but there may be more children b. betw. 1849 and 1861
Cen. 1851 living Little Francis Street, Aston with husband - coach smith
Cen. 1861 no trace1871 Cen. Eliza is with new husband and his children by previous marriage - her own child is with her parents. Second husband occupation is lawyer.
1881 census
9 Needham Street, Aston, Warwick, England
PRO RG11 Piece/Folio 3035/135 Page 30
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Frances William GREEN Head M Male 48 Birmingham, Warwick, England Carpenter
Eliza Stone GREEN Wife M Female 59 Birmingham, Warwick, England ((Carpenter))
Elena GREEN Daur U Female 21 Birmingham, Warwick, England Domestic Servant
John William GREEN Son U Male 19 Birmingham, Warwick, England Builders Clerk
Jane GREEN Daur U Female 18 Birmingham, Warwick, England Board School Teacher
1891 death of Eliza Stone SHORT reg GREEN Mar Q 1891 Aston 1891 Cen at ‘Abbottsford’ 119 Charles Road, is Eliza’s son by her first marriage, who is a widowe,r (his wife was Mary Ann ABBOTT) with his son. Also present is Eliza’s second husband Francis William GREEN, now a ‘pattern maker’ with his daughter by his first marriage, Jane GREEN - a certified elementary school teacher.
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One child of this m. is known - John William SMITH b. 1861/2 is living with Eliza’s grandparents in 1871 but there may be more children b. betw. 1849 and 1861
Cen. 1851 living Little Francis Street, Aston with husband - coach smith
Cen. 1861 no traceemail from Mike Short 22/8/06 has him named William Smith
1881 census
9 Needham Street, Aston, Warwick, England
PRO RG11 Piece/Folio 3035/135 Page 30
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Frances William GREEN Head M Male 48 Birmingham, Warwick, England Carpenter
Eliza Stone GREEN Wife M Female 59 Birmingham, Warwick, England ((Carpenter))
Elena GREEN Daur U Female 21 Birmingham, Warwick, England Domestic Servant
John William GREEN Son U Male 19 Birmingham, Warwick, England Builders Clerk
Jane GREEN Daur U Female 18 Birmingham, Warwick, England Board School Teacher
38. Paul G GREEN
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39. Eleanor or Elena or Helena GREEN
1881 census
9 Needham Street, Aston, Warwick, England
PRO RG11 Piece/Folio 3035/135 Page 30
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Frances William GREEN Head M Male 48 Birmingham, Warwick, England Carpenter
Eliza Stone GREEN Wife M Female 59 Birmingham, Warwick, England ((Carpenter))
Elena GREEN Daur U Female 21 Birmingham, Warwick, England Domestic Servant
John William GREEN Son U Male 19 Birmingham, Warwick, England Builders Clerk
Jane GREEN Daur U Female 18 Birmingham, Warwick, England Board School Teacher
40. Jane GREEN
1881 census
9 Needham Street, Aston, Warwick, England
PRO RG11 Piece/Folio 3035/135 Page 30
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Frances William GREEN Head M Male 48 Birmingham, Warwick, England Carpenter
Eliza Stone GREEN Wife M Female 59 Birmingham, Warwick, England ((Carpenter))
Elena GREEN Daur U Female 21 Birmingham, Warwick, England Domestic Servant
John William GREEN Son U Male 19 Birmingham, Warwick, England Builders Clerk
Jane GREEN Daur U Female 18 Birmingham, Warwick, England Board School Teacher
41. Amelia GREEN
Eleanor/Elena/Helena
16. Thomas SHORT
Emma first appears in records m the 1841 census for Price Street in the district of St. Mary's. This census was taken in June 1841. I found this entry on 1841, Birmingham 4+, HO 107/1143 for House 2, Court 15, Price St. (Price Street seems to have run between Loveday St. and Lancaster Street more or less where St. Chad's Ringway now runs at the back of the Dental Hospital. St.Mary's Church was built as an annexe of St. Martin's from l779 onwards: elegant Georgian terraces once surrounded it. It became a Parish C'hurch in the 1830s but fell into decline and was eventually demolished. Price Street did not contain elegant Georgian houses but rather the smelly, insanitary courts ol back-to-back houses inhabited by the working classes of old Birmingham. In 1835 Price Street was on the northernmost edge of Birmingham.
1841, court 15, House 2. Price St.
William SHORT (Head), aged 40, Iron Caster, born Warwickshire
Mary Ann SHORT(Wife), aged 40 born outside the county.
Eliza SHORT (daughter), aged 15, born Warwickshire
Thomas SHORT (son), aged 15, born Warwickshire,
William SHORT(son), aged 10, born Warwickshire
Mary SHORT (daughter), aged 10, born Warwickshire
Emma SHORT (daughter), aged 6, born Warwickshire
James SHORT(son), aged 3, born Warwickshire
John SHORT (son), aged 1, born WarwickshireNot far away lived Thomas SHORT at 44, Sheep St. (Ref: 2054/183/21)
44, Sheep St. (near Gosta Green)
Head, Thomas SHORT, aged 25 Iron Castor, born Birmingham, Warwickshire
Wife, Emily, aged 26, born Warwickshire, Birmingham.
Son, Alfred, aged 5, born Warwickshire, Birmingham
Daughter, Emily, aged 3, born Warwickshire, Birmingham
Son Thomas, aged 1, born Warwickshire, Birmingham
(Thomas and Emily seem to have got married about 1845 or 46).email Mike Short
1851 Cen. Living 44 Sheep Street, Aston, Birmingham with wife; children Alfred, Emily & Thomas; also wife’s sister, Betsy ALLBUTT b. 1828, dressmaker. Thomas’s occupation: Iron caster employing 3 pair hands1861 Cen. living 70 Legge Street, Aston, Birmingham with wife; children Alfred, Emily, Thomas, Jane, Mary Ann, Selina, Ellen, Drusilla Harriet; also present wife’s sister Betsy ALLBUTT now shown as house servant. Thomas’s occupation: Iron Founder
1871 Cen. Living at ‘Gothic Villas’ next to the Wesleyan Chapel on Kingsbury Road, Erdington, Aston, Birmingham with wife; children Jane, Mary Ann & Selina all three shown as Assistant in (family) business; children Ellen, Drusilla Harriet, Hannah & Alexander. Thomas’s Occupation: Iron founder
KF's 1881 census entry
Lee Tavern, Yardley, Worcester, England
PRO RG11 Piece/Folio 3083/38 Page 11
Name Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation
Thomas SHORT M Male 56 Bham, Warwick, England Inn Keeper
Emily SHORT M Female 57 Bham, Warwick, England
Hannah SHORT U Female 18 Bham, Warwick, England
Alexander SHORT U Male 16 Bham, Warwick, England1891 Cen. Thomas and wife back at Legge Street, Aston, but now at number 54; occupation: Iron Founder
Not far away lived Thomas SHORT at 44, Sheep St. (Ref: 2054/183/21)
44, Sheep St. (near Gosta Green)
Head, Thomas SHORT, aged 25 Iron Castor, born Birmingham, Warwickshire
Wife, Emily, aged 26, born Warwickshire, Birmingham.
Son, Alfred, aged 5, born Warwickshire, Birmingham
Daughter, Emily, aged 3, born Warwickshire, Birmingham
Son Thomas, aged 1, born Warwickshire, Birmingham
(Thomas and Emily seem to have got married about 1845 or 46).email from Virginia Stokes 28/12/2004 provided family name for Emily
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1851 Cen. Living 44 Sheep Street, Aston, Birmingham with husband; children Alfred, Emily & Thomas; also sister, Betsy ALLBUTT b. 1828, dressmaker. Husband’s occupation: Iron caster employing 3 pair hands1861 Cen. living 70 Legge Street, Aston, Birmingham with husband; children Alfred, Emily, Thomas, Jane, Mary Ann, Selina, Ellen, Drusilla Harriet; also present Betsy ALLBUTT now shown as house servant. Husband’s occupation: Iron Founder
1871 Cen. Living at ‘Gothic Villas’ next to the Wesleyan Chapel on Kingsbury Road, Erdington, Aston, Birmingham with husband; children Jane, Mary Ann & Selina all three shown as Assistant in (family) business; children Ellen, Drusilla Harriet, Hannah & Alexander. Husband’s Occupation: Iron founder
KF's 1881 census entry
Lee Tavern, Yardley, Worcester, England
PRO RG11 Piece/Folio 3083/38 Page 11
Name Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation
Thomas SHORT M Male 56 Bham, Warwick, England Inn Keeper
Emily SHORT M Female 57 Bham, Warwick, England
Hannah SHORT U Female 18 Bham, Warwick, England
Alexander SHORT U Male 16 Bham, Warwick, England1891 Cen. Living at 45 Legge Street, Aston; husband’s occupation: Iron Founder
44. Emily SHORT
1851 census
Not far away lived Thomas SHORT at 44, Sheep St. (Ref: 2054/183/21)
44, Sheep St. (near Gosta Green)
Head, Thomas SHORT, aged 25 Iron Castor, born Birmingham, Warwickshire
Wife, Emily, aged 26, born Warwickshire, Birmingham.
Son, Alfred, aged 5, born Warwickshire, Birmingham
Daughter, Emily, aged 3, born Warwickshire, Birmingham
Son Thomas, aged 1, born Warwickshire, Birmingham
(Thomas and Emily seem to have got married about 1845 or 46).1861 Cen. living 70 Legge Street, Aston, Birmingham with parents
46. Jane SHORT
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1861 Cen. living 70 Legge Street, Aston, Birmingham with parents1871 Cen. Living with parents at ‘Gothic Villas’ next to the Wesleyan Chapel on Kingsbury Road, Erdington, Aston, Birmingham and shown as an assistant in the family business (Iron Foundry)
47. Mary Ann SHORT
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1861 Cen. living 70 Legge Street, Aston, Birmingham with parents1871 Cen. Living with parents at ‘Gothic Villas’ next to the Wesleyan Chapel on Kingsbury Road, Erdington, Aston, Birmingham and shown as an assistant in the family business (Iron Foundry)
49. Hannah SHORT
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1871 Cen. Living with parents at ‘Gothic Villas’ next to the Wesleyan Chapel on Kingsbury Road, Erdington, Aston, BirminghamKF's 1881 census
Lee Tavern, Yardley, Worcester, England
PRO RG11 Piece/Folio 3083/38 Page 11
Name Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation
Thomas SHORT M Male 56 Bham, Warwick, England Inn Keeper
Emily SHORT M Female 57 Bham, Warwick, England
Hannah SHORT U Female 18 Bham, Warwick, England
Alexander SHORT U Male 16 Bham, Warwick, England
50. Alexander SHORT
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1871 Cen. Living with parents at ‘Gothic Villas’ next to the Wesleyan Chapel on Kingsbury Road, Erdington, Aston, BirminghamKF's 1881 census entry
Lee Tavern, Yardley, Worcester, England
PRO RG11 Piece/Folio 3083/38 Page 11
Name Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation
Thomas SHORT M Male 56 Bham, Warwick, England Inn Keeper
Emily SHORT M Female 57 Bham, Warwick, England
Hannah SHORT U Female 18 Bham, Warwick, England
Alexander SHORT U Male 16 Bham, Warwick, England1891 1901
Alexander SHORT 27 Manager B’ham Alfred SHORT 36 Iron Caster B’ham
Mary Ann SHORT 25 Coleshill Mary Ann SHORT 34 Coleshill
Alexander SHORT 7 Yardley Alexander SHORT 18 Iron Caster Yardley
Fanny L SHORT 7 B’ham Hannah SHORT 16 Sorter Iron Cast. B’ham
Margarette SHORT 3 B’ham Gertrude SHORT 14 B’ham
Howard V SHORT 1 B’ham Sydney SHORT 12 B’ham
1891 All above clearly Thomas SHORT 10 B’ham
SHORT but transcribed Mary A SHORT 7 B’ham
as THORP on Ancestry Minnie SHORT 7 B’hamThe places of birth of Mary Ann & Alexander are the same. The 1901 family cannot be found in this form in any other census. There is no known Alfred SHORT b. around 1864/5. Missing sections from free BMD causes problems with identification. Crucially, freeBMD records b. Mar Q 1898 Sidney Howard V SHORT. These must be the same families, but why the big differences? An enumerator at the end of a bad night? Hannah Lydia SHORT b. Aston Mar Q 1885 may be both Hannah and Fanny L. Margaret Gertrude b. Dec Q 1886 Aston (Acton on Free BMD) must be both Margarette & Gertrude. Thomas could be the Frederick Thomas b. reg. Dec Q 1890. Mary Ann may be the one b. reg. Sep Q 1893. Minnie is likely to be Minnie Beatrice b. reg. Mar Q 1896 - thus 4 years old at 1901 Cen, not 7.
Children will be temp. rec. (pending 1911 cen. published 2011/2) as follows:
Alexander SHORT b. 1882/3 Yardley
Hannah Lydia (or Fanny L) SHORT b.1885/6 Aston, Birmingham
Margaret Gertrude SHORT b. 1886 Aston, Birmingham
Sidney Howard V SHORT b. 1887/8 Aston, Birmingham
Thomas (or ?Frederick Thomas?) SHORT b. 1890/91 Birmingham
Mary A SHORT b. 1893-95 Birmingham
Minnie (?Minnie Beatrice?) SHORT b. abt. 1896 Birmingham
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51. Ellen SHORT
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1861 Cen. living 70 Legge Street, Aston, Birmingham with parents1871 Cen. Living with parents at ‘Gothic Villas’ next to the Wesleyan Chapel on Kingsbury Road, Erdington, Aston, Birmingham
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1861 Cen. living 70 Legge Street, Aston, Birmingham with parents1871 Cen. Living with parents at ‘Gothic Villas’ next to the Wesleyan Chapel on Kingsbury Road, Erdington, Aston, Birmingham
KF's 1881 census
George Rd, Yardley, Worcester, England
PRO Ref RG11 Piece/Folio 3083/100 Page 39
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Francis SNEAD Head M Male 22 Munworth Wire Drawer
Harriet SNEAD Wife M Female 21 Bham Wife1891 not yet traced
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KF's 1881 census
George Rd, Yardley, Worcester, England
PRO Ref RG11 Piece/Folio 3083/100 Page 39
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Francis SNEAD Head M Male 22 Munworth Wire Drawer
Harriet SNEAD Wife M Female 21 Bham Wife
17. Mary Ann SHORT
Emma first appears in records m the 1841 census for Price Street in the district of St. Mary's. This census was taken in June 1841. I found this entry on 1841, Birmingham 4+, HO 107/1143 for House 2, Court 15, Price St. (Price Street seems to have run between Loveday St. and Lancaster Street more or less where St. Chad's Ringway now runs at the back of the Dental Hospital. St.Mary's Church was built as an annexe of St. Martin's from l779 onwards: elegant Georgian terraces once surrounded it. It became a Parish C'hurch in the 1830s but fell into decline and was eventually demolished. Price Street did not contain elegant Georgian houses but rather the smelly, insanitary courts ol back-to-back houses inhabited by the working classes of old Birmingham. In 1835 Price Street was on the northernmost edge of Birmingham.
1841, court 15, House 2. Price St.
William SHORT (Head), aged 40, Iron Caster, born Warwickshire
Mary Ann SHORT(Wife), aged 40 born outside the county.
Eliza SHORT (daughter), aged 15, born Warwickshire
Thomas SHORT (son), aged 15, born Warwickshire,
William SHORT(son), aged 10, born Warwickshire
Mary SHORT (daughter), aged 10, born Warwickshire
Emma SHORT (daughter), aged 6, born Warwickshire
James SHORT(son), aged 3, born Warwickshire
John SHORT (son), aged 1, born WarwickshireIn the 1851 census for Birmingham the only Emma SHORT I can find who is the right age for our Emma is given thus: (Census Ref. 2061/213/50)
Little Francis St. Aston
Head, Joseph ABBOTT, aged 31, Pearl Button Maker born Birmingham, Warks.
Wife, Mary Ann, aged 22 born Birmingham, Warwickshire
Daughter, Eliza, aged 1 born Birmingham, Warwickshire
Visitor, Emma SHORT, aged 16. born Birmingham, Warwickshire
So it appears that Emma was staying with her sister, Mary Ann ABBOTT on the night of the census.
This census was taken in April of 1851. Little Francis St. ran between Great Lister Street and Lupin St. It was just round the corner from Bloomsburyemail from Mike Short
1851 Cen. Living Little Francis Street with husband and daughter Eliza(1). Also present as visitor, sister 3.1.6 Emma SHORT bpt. 20 Apr 18351861 Cen. Living ----- John Street, Duddeston & Nechells, Aston with husband; children Eliza, Emma Alice, William Charles, Rosina & Mary Ann. Child Arthur Joseph ABBOTT b. 1858 not present assumed d.
1871 Cen. Living 123 Cattell Road, Bordsley, Aston. (Mary Ann’s occupation: boot & drapers shop) with husband; children Eliza- machinist, Emma Alice - pearl button finisher, William - pearl button maker, Rosina - domestic work, Mary Ann, Florence & Albert Joseph. Also present is adopted son, William J SEELEY, aged 16 b. Birmingham, deaf & dumb.
1881 census
115 Cattell Rd, Aston, Warwick, England
PRO RG11 Piece/Folio 3023/101 Page 9
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Joseph ABBOTT Head M Male 50 Birmingham, Warwick, England Pearl Button Maker
Mary Ann ABBOTT Wife M Female 52 Birmingham, Warwick, England
Emma ABBOTT Dau U Female 29 Birmingham, Warwick, England
Florence ABBOTT Dau Female 14 Birmingham, Warwick, England
Albert J. ABBOTT Son Male 12 Birmingham, Warwick, England Scholar
Eliza ABBOTT Dau Female 7 Birmingham, Warwick, England Scholar1881 Cen. living at 115 Cattell Road with husband; children Emma, Florence, & Albert Joseph. There is also a 7 year old Eliza b. Birmingham who is described ‘daughter’ but is almost certainly the child of unmarried daughter Emma
1891. Cen. Living at 17 Abbey Street, Rhuddlan, Rhyl, Flintshire, Wales. Their house is a holiday lodging house and Mary Ann is described as ‘lodging house keeper’. Husband Joseph ABBOTT is an ‘employed bath chair proprieter’. Daughter Emma is present, aged 39 unmarried waitress and son Albert Joseph is living with them and employed as a hairdresser. Also present is grand-daughter Eliza Mary Ann ABBOTT aged 17 b. Birmingham - kitchen maid.
1901 Cen. Living 5 River Street, Rhyl, with husband shown as ‘Lodging House Keeper’. Also present are three people who have not been identified: Elizabeth H MOSELEY ‘daughter’ aged 34 b. Birmingham; Florence MOSELEY grand-daughter aged 10 b. Manchester; Ernest S MOSELEY grandson aged 5 b. US America. Although described as ‘daughter’ no connection has made between Mary Ann’s children and Elizabeth H MOSELEY and her two children
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Joseph ABBOTT b. 1830/1 Aston, Birmingham, occupation: Pearl Button MakerIn the 1851 census for Birmingham the only Emma SHORT I can find who is the right age for our Emma is given thus: (Census Ref. 2061/213/50)
Little Francis St. Aston
Head, Joseph ABBOTT, aged 31, Pearl Button Maker born Birmingham, Warks.
Wife, Mary Ann, aged 22 born Birmingham, Warwickshire
Daughter, Eliza, aged 1 born Birmingham, Warwickshire
Visitor, Emma SHORT, aged 16. born Birmingham, Warwickshire
So it appears that Emma was staying with her sister, Mary Ann ABBOTT on the night of the census.
This census was taken in April of 1851. Little Francis St. ran between Great Lister Street and Lupin St. It was just round the corner from Bloomsburyemail from Mike Short
1861 Cen. Living ----- John Street, Duddeston & Nechells, Aston with husband; children Eliza, Emma Alice, William Charles, Rosina & Mary Ann. Child Arthur Joseph ABBOTT b. 1858 not present assumed d.1871 Cen. Living 123 Cattell Road, Bordsley, Aston. (Mary Ann’s occupation: boot & drapers shop) with husband; children Eliza- machinist, Emma Alice - pearl button finisher, William - pearl button maker, Rosina - domestic work, Mary Ann, Florence & Albert Joseph. Also present is adopted son, William J SEELEY, aged 16 b. Birmingham, deaf & dumb.
1881 census
115 Cattell Rd, Aston, Warwick, England
PRO RG11 Piece/Folio 3023/101 Page 9
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Joseph ABBOTT Head M Male 50 Birmingham, Warwick, England Pearl Button Maker
Mary Ann ABBOTT Wife M Female 52 Birmingham, Warwick, England
Emma ABBOTT Dau U Female 29 Birmingham, Warwick, England
Florence ABBOTT Dau Female 14 Birmingham, Warwick, England
Albert J. ABBOTT Son Male 12 Birmingham, Warwick, England Scholar
Eliza ABBOTT Dau Female 7 Birmingham, Warwick, England Scholaremail from Mike Short 8.4.2006 original research Lavinia & Geoff ISAAC
1891. Cen. Living at 17 Abbey Street, Rhuddlan, Rhyl, Flintshire, Wales. Their house is a holiday lodging house and Mary Ann is described as ‘lodging house keeper’, Joseph as ‘employed bath chair proprieter’. Daughter Emma is present, aged 39 unmarried waitress and son Albert Joseph is living with them and employed as a hairdresser. Also present is grand-daughter Eliza Mary Ann ABBOTT aged 17 b. Birmingham - kitchen maid.1901 Cen. Living 5 River Street, Rhyl, with wife . Also present are three people who have not been identified: Elizabeth H MOSELEY ‘daughter’ aged 34 b. Birmingham; Florence MOSELEY grand-daughter aged 10 b. Manchester; Ernest S MOSELEY grandson aged 5 b. US America. Although described as ‘daughter’ no connection has made between Joseph & Mary Ann’s children and Elizabeth H MOSELEY and her two children. Joseph’s occupation: Lodging House Keeper
57. Mary Ann ABBOTT
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1861 Cen. Living ----- John Street, Duddeston & Nechells, Aston with parents
1871 Cen. Living 123 Cattell Road, Bordsley, Aston with parents Note: Cousin SH4.1A.1A.1 John William SMITH, son of mother’s sister, Eliza Stone SHORT, married a Mary Ann ABBOTT June Q 1882 and she d. after 1876/7 after b. of son but bef. 1891 Cen. This may be the same Mary Ann ABBOTT. Interested researchers may wish to obtain m. cert. See entry for Eliza Stone SHORT
58. Florence ABBOTT
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1871 Cen. Living 123 Cattell Road, Bordsley, Aston with parents
1881 census
115 Cattell Rd, Aston, Warwick, England
PRO RG11 Piece/Folio 3023/101 Page 9
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Joseph ABBOTT Head M Male 50 Birmingham, Warwick, England Pearl Button Maker
Mary Ann ABBOTT Wife M Female 52 Birmingham, Warwick, England
Emma ABBOTT Dau U Female 29 Birmingham, Warwick, England
Florence ABBOTT Dau Female 14 Birmingham, Warwick, England
Albert J. ABBOTT Son Male 12 Birmingham, Warwick, England Scholar
Eliza ABBOTT Dau Female 7 Birmingham, Warwick, England Scholar
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1871 Cen. Living 123 Cattell Road, Bordsley, Aston with parents
KF's 1881 census
115 Cattell Rd, Aston, Warwick, England
PRO RG11 Piece/Folio 3023/101 Page 9
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Joseph ABBOTT Head M Male 50 Birmingham, Warwick, England Pearl Button Maker
Mary Ann ABBOTT Wife M Female 52 Birmingham, Warwick, England
Emma ABBOTT Dau U Female 29 Birmingham, Warwick, England
Florence ABBOTT Dau Female 14 Birmingham, Warwick, England
Albert J. ABBOTT Son Male 12 Birmingham, Warwick, England Scholar
Eliza ABBOTT Dau Female 7 Birmingham, Warwick, England Scholar1891. Cen. Living at 17 Abbey Street, Rhuddlan, Rhyl, Flintshire, Wales with parents who run a lodging house; also present sister Emma and her daughter. Occupation of Albert Joseph - hairdresser
1901 Cen. living 5 ?Water? Street, Rhyl, Flinshire, Wales with wife. Occupation: self-employed hairdresser.
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1861 Cen. Living ----- John Street, Duddeston & Nechells, Aston with parents
1871 Cen. Living 123 Cattell Road, Bordsley, Aston with parents. Occupation: Pearl Button Maker
Note: is a m. of a William Charles ABBOTT m. June Q 1873 Aston to either Mary Ann CADMAN or Sarah PARKES but also death of William Charles ABBOTT aged 20, d. reg. Dec 1873 Aston. Not traced on further cens.
18. William SHORT
Emma first appears in records m the 1841 census for Price Street in the district of St. Mary's. This census was taken in June 1841. I found this entry on 1841, Birmingham 4+, HO 107/1143 for House 2, Court 15, Price St. (Price Street seems to have run between Loveday St. and Lancaster Street more or less where St. Chad's Ringway now runs at the back of the Dental Hospital. St.Mary's Church was built as an annexe of St. Martin's from l779 onwards: elegant Georgian terraces once surrounded it. It became a Parish C'hurch in the 1830s but fell into decline and was eventually demolished. Price Street did not contain elegant Georgian houses but rather the smelly, insanitary courts ol back-to-back houses inhabited by the working classes of old Birmingham. In 1835 Price Street was on the northernmost edge of Birmingham.
1841, court 15, House 2. Price St.
William SHORT (Head), aged 40, Iron Caster, born Warwickshire
Mary Ann SHORT(Wife), aged 40 born outside the county.
Eliza SHORT (daughter), aged 15, born Warwickshire
Thomas SHORT (son), aged 15, born Warwickshire,
William SHORT(son), aged 10, born Warwickshire
Mary SHORT (daughter), aged 10, born Warwickshire
Emma SHORT (daughter), aged 6, born Warwickshire
James SHORT(son), aged 3, born Warwickshire
John SHORT (son), aged 1, born WarwickshireCourt Heneage St. (between numbers 193, 194)
Head, William SHORT, aged 20, Castor born Birmingham, Warwickshire
Wife, Mary Ann, aged 20, born Birmingham, Warwickshire
(According to the GRO Index William SHORT got married in King’s Norton in the December quarter of 1850).email from Mike Short 8.4.2006
1851 Cen. Living at Court between 193 & 194 Heneage St, St Matthew Parish, Aston with wife. Occupation: Caster1861 Cen. Living 3 Williams Buildings, Duddeston & Nechells, Aston, Birmingham with wife Mary Ann; children Mary Jane, James Thomas & John Edward; also present Martha HIGGS aged 23, visitor. William’s occupation; Iron Caster
1871 Cen. Living 169 Francis Street with wife Mary Ann; children James Thomas - mechanic, John Edward, Martha Elizabeth, Ellen Elizabeth & Mary Ann Maria. William’s occupation: Iron Founder
1874 death of wife Mary Ann reg. mar Q 1874 9c 266 Eccleshall Bierlow (Near Sheffield) former West Riding of Yorkshire
m(2) after 1871, bef. 1881 Jane, b. 1830/1 Kempsey, Worcestershire
KF's 1881 census
56 Langdon St, Ecclesall Bierlow, York, England
PRO RG11 Piece/Folio 4638/94 Page 8
Name Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation
William SHORT M Male 49 B Ham, Warwick, England Malleable Iron Founder
Jane SHORT M Female 48 Kempsey, Worcester, England
John E. SHORT U Male 20 B Ham, Warwick, England Malleable Iron Caster
Mary A.M. SHORT U Female 11 B Ham, Warwick, England Scholar
William H. SHORT Male 9 B Ham, Warwick, England Scholar1881 Cen. Living 56 Langdon Road, Ecclehall Bierlow, Sheffield, Yorkshire with second wife Jane; and children by first wife John Edward, Mary Ann Maria, & William Henry
1891 Cen. Living 96 Albert Road, Heeley, Nether Hallam, Sheffield with second wife; daughter Mary Ann Maria; and granddaughter Lilly day aged ?7? b. Sheffield. William’s Occupation: Malleable Iron Caster
1901 Cen. Living with wife and servant at 68 Back Chesterfield Street; occupation: retired iron caster. Note wife rec. as W SHORT but age and place of birth appear to confirm Jane.
Court Heneage St. (between numbers 193, 194)
Head, William SHORT, aged 20, Castor born Birmingham, Warwickshire
Wife, Mary Ann, aged 20, born Birmingham, Warwickshire
(According to the GRO Index William SHORT got married in King’s Norton in the December quarter of 1850).email from Mike Short 8.4.2006
1851 Cen. Living at Court between 193 & 194 Heneage St, St Matthew Parish, Aston with husband - occupation: Caster1861 Cen. Living 3 Williams Buildings, 131 Northumberland Street, Duddeston & Nechells, Aston, Birmingham with husband; children Mary Jane, James Thomas & John Edward; also present Martha HIGGS aged 23, visitor. William’s occupation; Iron Caster
1871 Cen. Living 169 Francis Street with husband; children James Thomas - mechanic, John Edward, Martha Elizabeth, Ellen Elizabeth & Mary Ann Maria. Thomas’s occupation: Iron Founder Sometime after 1871, family moved to Sheffield (then in West Riding of Yorkshire)
1874 death of Mary Ann HADLEY reg. Mary Ann SHORT Mar Q 1874 9c 266 Eccleshall Bierlow, Sheffield, former West Riding of Yorkshire
email from Mike Short 14.9.2006
Eliza Stone SHORT b. May 1851, died 26 May 1851 aged 2 weeks, enteritis 7 days, first child of SH3.1A.5 William SHORT (b. 22 Apr 1831) and Mary Ann HADLEY. Death registered by mother 6 Jun 1851, address 'Court, Heneage Street', signed with her mark.
62. Mary Jane SHORT
email Mike Short 8.4.2006
1861 Cen. Living 3 Williams Buildings, 131 Northumberland Street, Duddeston & Nechells, Aston, Birmingham with parents
No further trace
census details from Mike Short 8.4.2006
1871 Cen. Living 169 Francis Street with parents
1881 Cen. Prob rec. as Helen SHORT, domestic servant to Chief Constable of Eccleshall Bierlow, Sheffield
Not traced furtherKF 1881 census details
7 Collegiate Crescent, Ecclesall Bierlow, York, England
PRO Ref RG11 Piece/Folio 4633/82 Page 8
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
John JACKSON Head M Male 58 Willow, Cumberland, England Chief Constable
Sarah M. JACKSON Wife M Female 53 Oldham, Lancashire, England
Mary LAZENBY Serv U Female 27 Sheffield, York, England Gen Serv (Cook)
Helen SHORT Serv U Female 17 Birmingham, Warwick, England Serv (Genl)
1881 Cen. Living 56 Langdon Street, Ecclehall Bierlow, Sheffield, Yorkshire with father and stepmother
Possibly m. Eliza b. 1873/4 Gretts Green, Staffordshire
Possibly 1901 Cen living 140 Norwich Road, Walsall with wife Eliza and daughter (possible SH5.1A.5A.9.1) Doris Edith SHORT b. 1900 Walsall. Occupation: ?Furnace? Work Manager
19. Emma SHORT
Emma first appears in records m the 1841 census for Price Street in the district of St. Mary's. This census was taken in June 1841. I found this entry on 1841, Birmingham 4+, HO 107/1143 for House 2, Court 15, Price St. (Price Street seems to have run between Loveday St. and Lancaster Street more or less where St. Chad's Ringway now runs at the back of the Dental Hospital. St.Mary's Church was built as an annexe of St. Martin's from l779 onwards: elegant Georgian terraces once surrounded it. It became a Parish C'hurch in the 1830s but fell into decline and was eventually demolished. Price Street did not contain elegant Georgian houses but rather the smelly, insanitary courts ol back-to-back houses inhabited by the working classes of old Birmingham. In 1835 Price Street was on the northernmost edge of Birmingham.
1841, court 15, House 2. Price St.
William SHORT (Head), aged 40, Iron Caster, born Warwickshire
Mary Ann SHORT(Wife), aged 40 born outside the county.
Eliza SHORT (daughter), aged 15, born Warwickshire
Thomas SHORT (son), aged 15, born Warwickshire,
William SHORT(son), aged 10, born Warwickshire
Mary SHORT (daughter), aged 10, born Warwickshire
Emma SHORT (daughter), aged 6, born Warwickshire
James SHORT(son), aged 3, born Warwickshire
John SHORT (son), aged 1, born WarwickshireIn the 1851 census for Birmingham the only Emma SHORT I can find who is the right age for our Emma is given thus: (Census Ref. 2061/213/50)
Little Francis St. Aston
Head, Joseph ABBOTT, aged 31, Pearl Button Maker born Birmingham, Warks.
Wife, Mary Ann, aged 22 born Birmingham, Warwickshire
Daughter, Eliza, aged 1 born Birmingham, Warwickshire
Visitor, Emma SHORT, aged 16. born Birmingham, Warwickshire
So it appears that Emma was staying with her sister, Mary Ann ABBOTT on the night of the census.
This census was taken in April of 1851. Little Francis St. ran between Great Lister Street and Lupin St. It was just round the corner from Bloomsbury1861 Cen. Living at 9 Eden Place, 49 Guildford Street, Aston St Georges, Birmingham with husband and children Emma Catherine & Eliza Ann. George’s occupation: Paper Maker
1871 Cen. Living dwelling 21 Walsall Road, Aston Manor, Birmingham with husband and children Emma Catherine, Eliza Ann, Clara & George. George’s (sen) occupation: Paper Mache Maker
In the following year, 1861 Eliza appears on the 1861 census as 11 mths old living with her parents, George Bradley, aged 31 a Paper Maker born in Newbury, Berks, and her mother Emma, aged 25, and her older sister,Emma aged 5. The full address is given as 9, Eden Place, Guildford Street. (See 'Emma Short and the Shorts' p.3-4). Since this 1861 census was taken on April 27th Eliza should really be 1 year old.On the 1871 census Eliza aged 11 is recorded as living at 21 Walsall Road with her parents, and her sisters Emma aged 15, and Clara aged 7 and her brother George aged 5.
1881 Census
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Paul BARTLETT Head M Male 41 Stoke Prior, Worcester, England Packer In Button Factory
Sylvia BARTLETT Wife M Female 38 Manchester, Lancashire, England Warehouse Woman In Factory
George YOUNG Step Son Male 15 Birmingham, Warwick, England Tool Making App
Emma BRADLEY Boarder U Female 47 Birmingham, Warwick, England Button Carder
Source Information:
Dwelling 5 Court 3 House Dymoke St, Aston, Warwick, England
PRO Ref RG11 Piece/Folio 3015/111 Page 91891 Census
RG12/2432 page 24 Civil Parish of Aston, Municipal Ward of Brook Parish of St. Mary
Webster Street (House number and house name is unreadable)
George BRADLEY Head M M 24 Birmingham, Warwickshire employed Brass Founder & Steel Turner
Lucy BRADLEY Wife M F 28 Birmingham, Warwickshire employed P* Button Carder
George BRADLEY Son U M 6mths Birmingham, Warwickshire
Emma Bradley mother M F 55 Birmingham, Warwickshire unreadable notes in employment columndied Sep Qtr 1891
Maureen's research says that parent's are unknown and the father as Taplin (as much as it could be read). But could this be him in the 1841 census?
1841 Census
Name Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
BRADLY, Mary F 60 1781 Berkshire
BRADLY, Richard M 30 1811 Berkshire
BRADLY, Rachell F 20 1821 Berkshire
BRADLY, George M 9 1832 Berkshire
RG number: HO107 Piece: 33 Book/Folio: 3/17 Page: 28
Registration District: Newbury Union Sub District: Newbury EnumerationDistrict: Ecclesiastical Parish: Civil Parish: Newbury Municipal Borough: Newbury Address: Bartholomew Street, Newbury County: Berkshire1851 Census
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Disability Where Born
LIDDIARD, William Head Married M 47 1804 Gardener Newbury
LIDDIARD, Harriet Wife Married F 45 1806 Gardner's Wife Hungerford
LIDDIARD, John Son Unmarried M 20 1831 Steel Toy Maker Hungerford
LIDDIARD, William Son Unmarried M 17 1834 Jeweler Hungerford
LIDDIARD, Joseph Son Unmarried M 15 1836 Brass Worker Hungerford
LIDDIARD, Martha Daughter Unmarried F 13 1838 Scholar Newbury
LIDDIARD, Elizabeth Daughter Unmarried F 10 1841 Scholar Newbury
LIDDIARD, Henry Son Unmarried M 5 1846 Scholar Newbury
BRADLEY, George Visitor Unmarried M 18 1833 Blank Maker Newbury
RG number: HO107 Piece: 2052 Folio: 763 Page: 15
Registration District: Birmingham Sub District: Saint Thomas EnumerationDistrict: 30 Ecclesiastical Parish: Civil Parish: Saint Martin Municipal Borough: Birmingham Address: 4, Court, No 7 Essex Street, Saint Martin, Birmingham County: Warwickshireb. around 1829 Newbury, Berkshire.
Parents unknown but mother possibly a servant girl named BRADLEY and father a gardener called PACE or PEACE but George showed father as Taplin BRADLEY
on m. cert. m(1) 5 Feb 1854 Harborne, Staffordshire
Emma SHORT b. 10 Nov 1834, Aston, Birmingham 1861 Cen. Living at 9 Eden Place, 49 Guildford Street, Aston St Georges, Birmingham with wife and children Emma Catherine & Eliza Ann. Occupation: Paper Maker 1871 Cen. Living ‘dwelling’ 21 Walsall Road, Aston Manor, Birmingham with wife and children Emma Catherine, Eliza Ann, Clara & George. Occupation: Paper Mache Maker 23 April 1880 deserted wife and emigrated to Australia with son George and ‘perhaps’ his ‘mistress’ and her daughter, arriving 23 Jul 1880.
The story of George BRADLEY’s marriage to Emma SHORTs, their separation and his life in Australia can be found after this table 1891 Cen. son George BRADLEY is back in England, has married and has a child but father George has not been traced. Did he return at the same time as his son, or later? ptnr(2) bef. 1901, Amelia ?PERRY? 1901 Cen. George BRADLEY at 23 Upper Ryland Road, Edgbaston & Harborne with Amelia listed as ‘SHORT, wife’ and living with three children: Alice PERRY described as daughter, ?Victoria? PERRY aged 2 shown as daughter-in-law, and three-month old John T PERRY described as son-in-law. This suggests that the older child is Amelia’s and the younger two are children of George BRADLEY & Amelia but that they are not married d. 19 Dec 1906, 23 Upper Ryland Road, Edgbaston & Harborne
73. Clara BRADLEY
On the 1871 census Eliza aged 11 is recorded as living at 21 Walsall Road with her parents, and her sisters Emma aged 15, and Clara aged 7 and her brother George aged 5.
Clara was staying with her sister (Eliza) and husband (Henry ENSELL) during the 1881 census.
50 Bracebridge Street, Aston, Warwick, England
PRO RG11 3030/42 Pg 30
Henry ENSELL Head M M 26 Birmingham, Warwick Brass Button Burnisher
Eliza ENSELL Wife M F 20 Birmingham, Warwick
Clara ENSELL Visitor F 17 Birmingham, Warwick Warehousewomanb March Qtr 1864
Clara wrote letters to George in 1930's
email from Virginia Stokes 28/12/2004 gave middle name
b March Qtr 1838 Aston Vol 16 Pg 173 (probable)
Emma first appears in records m the 1841 census for Price Street in the district of St. Mary's. This census was taken in June 1841. I found this entry on 1841, Birmingham 4+, HO 107/1143 for House 2, Court 15, Price St. (Price Street seems to have run between Loveday St. and Lancaster Street more or less where St. Chad's Ringway now runs at the back of the Dental Hospital. St.Mary's Church was built as an annexe of St. Martin's from l779 onwards: elegant Georgian terraces once surrounded it. It became a Parish C'hurch in the 1830s but fell into decline and was eventually demolished. Price Street did not contain elegant Georgian houses but rather the smelly, insanitary courts ol back-to-back houses inhabited by the working classes of old Birmingham. In 1835 Price Street was on the northernmost edge of Birmingham.
1841, court 15, House 2. Price St.
William SHORT (Head), aged 40, Iron Caster, born Warwickshire
Mary Ann SHORT(Wife), aged 40 born outside the county.
Eliza SHORT (daughter), aged 15, born Warwickshire
Thomas SHORT (son), aged 15, born Warwickshire,
William SHORT(son), aged 10, born Warwickshire
Mary SHORT (daughter), aged 10, born Warwickshire
Emma SHORT (daughter), aged 6, born Warwickshire
James SHORT(son), aged 3, born Warwickshire
John SHORT (son), aged 1, born WarwickshireThis census was taken in April of 1851.
Census Ref. Aston, Duddeston. 2061.714/26
Bloomsbury St. (no number given)
Head, William SHORT, aged 50, Iron Cutter, born Birmingham Warwickshire
Wife, Mary SHORT, aged 52, born Scotland
Son, James SHORT, aged 13, Iron Cutter, born Birmingham, Warwickshire
Son, John, aged 11, Scholar, born Birmingham Warwickshire.1861 Cen. Living Back of 174 Great Lister Street, Duddeston & Nechells, Aston, Birmingham with wife; children Charlotte Louisa & James William. James’s occupation: Iron caster
1871 Cen. Living Back of 174 Great Lister Street, Duddeston cum Nechells, Aston, Birmingham, with children Charlotte, James Dempster & Mary Ann; also present visitor Eliza CALLAGHAN aged 24 occupation: gunstock ……
Mount Pleasant, Aston, Warwick, England
PRO Ref RG11 Piece/Folio 3048/93 Page 12
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
James D. SHORT Head M Male 43 Aston, Warwick, England Iron Founder
Fanney E. SHORT Wife M Female 26 Bham, Warwick, England
Charlotte L. SHORT Daughter Female 22 Bham, Warwick, England
James W. SHORT Son Male 20 Bham, Warwick, England Iron Caster
Mary A. SHORT Daughter Female 18 Bham, Warwick, England Pupil Teacher
Albert SHORT Son Male 3 Stechford, Warwick, England
Florrie SHORT Daughter Female 2 Washwood Heath, Warwick, England
Earnest D. SHORT Son Male 3 m Washwood Heath, Warwick, England
Jennie NICHOLAS Visitor Female 21 Pershore, Worcester, England1891 Cen. Living 366 New John St, St Georges parish, Birmingham with second wife; children of first wife Charlotte Louisa & James William - caster; children of second wife Albert, Fanny Florence, Ernest, Percival, Alfred Leonard & Ethel; also two domestic servants. James Dempster’s occupation: Licensed Victualler public house
1901 Cen. Living Aston Tavern, 10 Aston Road, Aston Manor with wife; child by first wife Charlotte Louisa - barmaid; children by second marriage Albert - musician, Fanny Florence - barmaid, Ernest Dempster - Clerk ?Brewery?, Percival - railway clerk, Ethel, Harold, Victor James & Howard; also present servant-nursemaid aged 12
Post 1901, after the death of James Dempster SHORT, Fanny Elizabeth SUTTON remarried Sep Q 1909 6d 147 Joseph CARTER. Fanny known to kept ‘The Horse & Jockey’ public house and later ‘The Cup’, both in Sutton Coldfield.
census details from Mike Short 8.4.2006
1851 Cen. Living 9 Court 4 Little Hampton Street, Birmingham St George Parish at the home of her Uncle Edward HYDE, Brass Founder, b.1795 Birmingham & his wife Mary b. 1795 ‘ somewhere in Wiltshire’1861 Cen. Living Back of 174 Great Lister Street, Duddeston & Nechells, Aston, Birmingham with wife; children Charlotte Louisa & James William. James’s occupation: Iron caster
census
1861 Cen. Living Back of 174 Great Lister Street, Duddeston & Nechells, Aston, Birmingham with parents
1871 Cen. Living Back of 174 Great Lister Street, Duddeston & Nechells, Aston, Birmingham, with widowed fatherKF's 1881 census details
Mount Pleasant, Aston, Warwick, England
PRO Ref RG11 Piece/Folio 3048/93 Page 12
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
James D. SHORT Head M Male 43 Aston, Warwick, England Iron Founder
Fanney E. SHORT Wife M Female 26 Bham, Warwick, England
Charlotte L. SHORT Daughter Female 22 Bham, Warwick, England
James W. SHORT Son Male 20 Bham, Warwick, England Iron Caster
Mary A. SHORT Daughter Female 18 Bham, Warwick, England Pupil Teacher
Albert SHORT Son Male 3 Stechford, Warwick, England
Florrie SHORT Daughter Female 2 Washwood Heath, Warwick, England
Earnest D. SHORT Son Male 3 m Washwood Heath, Warwick, England
Jennie NICHOLAS Visitor Female 21 Pershore, Worcester, England1891 Cen. Living 366 New John St, St Georges parish, Birmingham with second wife; children of first wife Charlotte Louisa & James William - caster; children of second wife Albert, Fanny Florence, Ernest, Percival, Alfred Leonard & Ethel; also two domestic servants. James Dempster’s occupation: Licensed Victualler public house
1901 Cen. Living Aston Tavern, 10 Aston Road, Aston Manor with wife; child by first wife Charlotte Louisa - barmaid; children by second marriage Albert - musician, Fanny Florence - barmaid, Ernest Dempster - Clerk ?Brewery?, Percival - railway clerk, Ethel, Harold, Victor James & Howard; also present servant-nursemaid aged 12
1861 Cen. Living Back of 174 Great Lister Street, Duddeston & Nechells, Aston, Birmingham with parents
1871 Cen. . Living Back of 174 Great Lister Street, Duddeston & Nechells, Aston, Birmingham, with widowed father.KF's 1881 census details
Mount Pleasant, Aston, Warwick, England
PRO Ref RG11 Piece/Folio 3048/93 Page 12
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
James D. SHORT Head M Male 43 Aston, Warwick, England Iron Founder
Fanney E. SHORT Wife M Female 26 Bham, Warwick, England
Charlotte L. SHORT Daughter Female 22 Bham, Warwick, England
James W. SHORT Son Male 20 Bham, Warwick, England Iron Caster
Mary A. SHORT Daughter Female 18 Bham, Warwick, England Pupil Teacher
Albert SHORT Son Male 3 Stechford, Warwick, England
Florrie SHORT Daughter Female 2 Washwood Heath, Warwick, England
Earnest D. SHORT Son Male 3 m Washwood Heath, Warwick, England
Jennie NICHOLAS Visitor Female 21 Pershore, Worcester, England1891 Cen. Living 366 New John St, St Georges parish, Birmingham with second wife; children of first wife Charlotte Louisa & James William - caster; children of second wife Albert, Fanny Florence, Ernest, Percival, Alfred Leonard & Ethel; also two domestic servants. James Dempster’s occupation: Licensed Victualler public house
Fanny Elizabeth SUTTON has been described by SHORT descendants as a larger than life character who liked rich men and wore lots of gold and jewellery. She was known for throwing her house open on Sundays to the whole family and expected all the children and grandchildren for Sunday dinner. Her houses were much bigger than most with better facilities and the grandchildren were expected to have their weekly bath at her house. There have been at least three reports from her grandchildren, and their cousins too, who remembered regularly playing at the house and having a really good time.
Post 1901, after the death of James Dempster SHORT, Fanny Elizabeth SUTTON remarried Sep Q 1909 6d 147 Joseph CARTER. Fanny known to kept ‘The Horse & Jockey’ public house and later ‘The Cup’, both in Sutton Coldfield.
1861 Cen. Birmingham St George, with parents at 107 ?King? John Street,
KF 1881 census
Mount Pleasant, Aston, Warwick, England
PRO Ref RG11 Piece/Folio 3048/93 Page 12
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
James D. SHORT Head M Male 43 Aston, Warwick, England Iron Founder
Fanney E. SHORT Wife M Female 26 Bham, Warwick, England
Charlotte L. SHORT Daughter Female 22 Bham, Warwick, England
James W. SHORT Son Male 20 Bham, Warwick, England Iron Caster
Mary A. SHORT Daughter Female 18 Bham, Warwick, England Pupil Teacher
Albert SHORT Son Male 3 Stechford, Warwick, England
Florrie SHORT Daughter Female 2 Washwood Heath, Warwick, England
Earnest D. SHORT Son Male 3 m Washwood Heath, Warwick, England
Jennie NICHOLAS Visitor Female 21 Pershore, Worcester, England1891 Cen. Living 366 New John St, St Georges parish, Birmingham with second wife; children of first wife Charlotte Louisa & James William - caster; children of second wife Albert, Fanny Florence, Ernest, Percival, Alfred Leonard & Ethel; also two domestic servants. James Dempster’s occupation: Licensed Victualler public house
1901 Cen. Living Aston Tavern, 10 Aston Road, Aston Manor with wife; child by first wife Charlotte Louisa - barmaid; children by second marriage Albert - musician, Fanny Florence - barmaid, Ernest Dempster - Clerk ?Brewery?, Percival - railway clerk, Ethel, Harold, Victor James & Howard; also present servant-nursemaid aged 12
Fanny was known to kept ‘The Horse & Jockey’ public house and later ‘The Cup’, both in Sutton Coldfield but I am not sure whether these two pubs were kept during, or after, the lifetime of husband James
email from Mike Short
nicknamed "snowball" because of his white hair1901 Cen. Living Aston Tavern, 10 Aston Road, Aston Manor with wife; child by first wife Charlotte Louisa - barmaid; children by second marriage Albert - musician, Fanny Florence - barmaid, Ernest Dempster - Clerk ?Brewery?, Percival - railway clerk, Ethel, Harold, Victor James & Howard; also present servant-nursemaid aged 12
Believed by descendants of brother Ernest Dempster to have been killed WW1 but no positive trace on WGC. Recently, a SHORT descendant has suggested that he was a prisoner of war.
KF lookups
Entry from the CWGC
19 SHORT, H R Lance Corporal 8524 11/11/1914 Unknown Scots Guards United Kingdom Panel 11. YPRES (MENIN GATE) MEMORIAL
Also mentioned on the Sutton Coldfield War Memorial outside the Town Hall.There is one entry from the Online archives referring to a Harold Reginald SHORT
Description
Medal card of Short, Harold Reginald
Corps Regiment No Rank
Scots Guards 8524 Lance Corporal
Scots Guards 8524 Private
Date 1914-1920
Catalogue reference WO 372/18links to the Catalogue
Dept Records created or inherited by the War Office, Armed Forces, Judge Advocate General, and related bodies
Series War Office: Service Medal and Award Rolls Index, First World War
Piece Shadbolt E - Spratt C
Image contains 1 medal card of many for this collection
Number of image files: 1
55297 / 16399 PDF 1.2 1 302 1 3.50Cemetery: YPRES (MENIN GATE) MEMORIAL
Country : Belgium
Locality: Ieper, West-VlaanderenVisiting Information:
Panel Numbers quoted at the end of each entry relate to the panels dedicated to the Regiment served with. In some instances where a casualty is recorded as attached to another Regiment, his name may alternatively appear within their Regimental Panels. Please refer to the on-site Memorial Register Introduction to determine the alternative panel numbers if you do not find the name within the quoted Panels. The design of this site makes access to certain parts of the memorial impossible by wheelchair. For further information regarding wheelchair access, please contact our Enquiries Section on telephone number 01628 507200.Location Information:
Ypres (now Ieper) is a town in the Province of West Flanders. The Memorial is situated at the eastern side of the town on the road to Menin (Menen) and Courtrai (Kortrijk). Each night at 8 pm the traffic is stopped at the Menin Gate while members of the local Fire Brigade sound the Last Post in the roadway under the Memorial's arches.Historical Information:
The Menin Gate is one of four memorials to the missing in Belgian Flanders which cover the area known as the Ypres Salient. Broadly speaking, the Salient stretched from Langemarck in the north to the northern edge in Ploegsteert Wood in the south, but it varied in area and shape throughout the war. The Salient was formed during the First Battle of Ypres in October and November 1914, when a small British Expeditionary Force succeeded in securing the town before the onset of winter, pushing the German forces back to the Passchendaele Ridge. The Second Battle of Ypres began in April 1915 when the Germans released poison gas into the Allied lines north of Ypres. This was the first time gas had been used by either side and the violence of the attack forced an Allied withdrawal and a shortening of the line of defence. There was little more significant activity on this front until 1917, when in the Third Battle of Ypres an offensive was mounted by Commonwealth forces to divert German attention from a weakened French front further south. The initial attempt in June to dislodge the Germans from the Messines Ridge was a complete success, but the main assault north-eastward, which began at the end of July, quickly became a dogged struggle against determined opposition and the rapidly deteriorating weather. The campaign finally came to a close in November with the capture of Passchendaele. The German offensive of March 1918 met with some initial success, but was eventually checked and repulsed in a combined effort by the Allies in September. The battles of the Ypres Salient claimed many lives on both sides and it quickly became clear that the commemoration of members of the Commonwealth forces with no known grave would have to be divided between several different sites. The site of the Menin Gate was chosen because of the hundreds of thousands of men who passed through it on their way to the battlefields. It commemorates those of all Commonwealth nations (except New Zealand) who died in the Salient, in the case of United Kingdom casualties before 16 August 1917. Those United Kingdom and New Zealand servicemen who died after that date are named on the memorial at Tyne Cot, a site which marks the furthest point reached by Commonwealth forces in Belgium until nearly the end of the war. Other New Zealand casualties are commemorated on memorials at Buttes New British Cemetery and Messines Ridge British Cemetery. The YPRES (MENIN GATE) MEMORIAL now bears the names of more than 54,000 officers and men whose graves are not known. The memorial, designed by Sir Reginald Blomfield with sculpture by Sir William Reid-Dick, was unveiled by Lord Plumer in July 1927.No. of Identified Casualties:
54344
1901 Cen. Living Aston Tavern, 10 Aston Road, Aston Manor with wife; child by first wife Charlotte Louisa - barmaid; children by second marriage Albert - musician, Fanny Florence - barmaid, Ernest Dempster - Clerk ?Brewery?, Percival - railway clerk, Ethel, Harold, Victor James & Howard; also present servant-nursemaid aged 12
Believed by descendants of brother Ernest Dempster to have been killed when the 4 year old Victor James swung off the billiard room curtains of the Public House in which he was living (presumably the Aston Tavern) and dragged them into the fire. He was burnt to death. Recently, it has been suggested by a SHORT descendant that he fell through a window and died from his injuries.
21. John SHORT
b. June Qtr
Emma first appears in records m the 1841 census for Price Street in the district of St. Mary's. This census was taken in June 1841. I found this entry on 1841, Birmingham 4+, HO 107/1143 for House 2, Court 15, Price St. (Price Street seems to have run between Loveday St. and Lancaster Street more or less where St. Chad's Ringway now runs at the back of the Dental Hospital. St.Mary's Church was built as an annexe of St. Martin's from l779 onwards: elegant Georgian terraces once surrounded it. It became a Parish C'hurch in the 1830s but fell into decline and was eventually demolished. Price Street did not contain elegant Georgian houses but rather the smelly, insanitary courts ol back-to-back houses inhabited by the working classes of old Birmingham. In 1835 Price Street was on the northernmost edge of Birmingham.
1841, court 15, House 2. Price St.
William SHORT (Head), aged 40, Iron Caster, born Warwickshire
Mary Ann SHORT(Wife), aged 40 born outside the county.
Eliza SHORT (daughter), aged 15, born Warwickshire
Thomas SHORT (son), aged 15, born Warwickshire,
William SHORT(son), aged 10, born Warwickshire
Mary SHORT (daughter), aged 10, born Warwickshire
Emma SHORT (daughter), aged 6, born Warwickshire
James SHORT(son), aged 3, born Warwickshire
John SHORT (son), aged 1, born WarwickshireThis census was taken in April of 1851.
Census Ref. Aston, Duddeston. 2061.714/26
Bloomsbury St. (no number given)
Head, William SHORT, aged 50, Iron Cutter, born Birmingham Warwickshire
Wife, Mary SHORT, aged 52, born Scotland
Son, James SHORT, aged 13, Iron Cutter, born Birmingham, Warwickshire
Son, John, aged 11, Scholar, born Birmingham Warwickshire.1861 Cen. Living with widowed father at 45 Sheep St, Birmingham St Peter. Occupation: Iron Caster - unmarried
1871 Cen. living at 45 Sheep St in Aston, Birmingham with first wife ; children John Henry, William, Alice, Emma & Lizzie. John’s occupation: Iron Caster
KF 1881 census
45 Sheep St, Birmingham, Warwick, England
PRO RG11 Piece/Folio 2990/116 Page 30
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
John SHORT Head M Male 40 Bham, Warwick, England Iron Foundriesman
John SHORT Son U Male 18 Bham, Warwick, England Caster
William SHORT Son U Male 16 Birmingham, Warwick, England Iron Caster
Agnes SHORT Wife M Female 30 Birmingham, Warwick, England Housewife
Alice SHORT Daughter U Female 15 Birmingham, Warwick, England General Help
Emma SHORT Daughter U Female 14 Birmingham, Warwick, England General Servant
Lizzie SHORT Daughter U Female 12 Birmingham, Warwick, England Scholar
Ellen SHORT Daughter U Female 9 Birmingham, Warwick, England Scholar
Charlotte SHORT Daughter U Female 7 Birmingham, Warwick, England Scholar
Agnes F. SHORT Daughter U Female 1 Birmingham, Warwick, England
1881 Cen. 45 Sheep St in Aston, Birmingham. Living with his second wife: children by first marriage, John Henry, William, Alice, Emma, Lizzie, Ellen & Charlotte; and daughter Agnes Florence by second marriage. Daughter Maud by second marriage is not present and has been found at the home of William SHORT.1891 Cen. At 60 ?Cluster? Road, Handsworth (St John), Staffordshire with second wife; child by first marriage, William - aged 28, Occ: Carter; children by second marriage, Maud, Agnes Florence shown as ‘Florence’, Bertie George, Elsie Gertrude May, Daisy May, Ralph Victor & Violet Beatrice. John’s occupation: Retired Iron Founder
1901 Cen. Living 68 Carlisle Road, Rotton Park, (St Cuthberts) Birmingham with second wife and their children: Agnes Florence, Bertie George, Elsie Gertrude May, Daisy May, Ralph Victor & Violet Beatrice
KF 1881 census
45 Sheep St, Birmingham, Warwick, England
PRO RG11 Piece/Folio 2990/116 Page 30
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
John SHORT Head M Male 40 Bham, Warwick, England Iron Foundriesman
John SHORT Son U Male 18 Bham, Warwick, England Caster
William SHORT Son U Male 16 Birmingham, Warwick, England Iron Caster
Agnes SHORT Wife M Female 30 Birmingham, Warwick, England Housewife
Alice SHORT Daughter U Female 15 Birmingham, Warwick, England General Help
Emma SHORT Daughter U Female 14 Birmingham, Warwick, England General Servant
Lizzie SHORT Daughter U Female 12 Birmingham, Warwick, England Scholar
Ellen SHORT Daughter U Female 9 Birmingham, Warwick, England Scholar
Charlotte SHORT Daughter U Female 7 Birmingham, Warwick, England Scholar
Agnes F. SHORT Daughter U Female 1 Birmingham, Warwick, England1891 Cen. At 60 Cluster Road, Handsworth (St John), Staffordshire with husband - Retired Iron Founder; husband’s child by first marriage, William - aged 28, Occ: Carter; children Maud, Agnes Florence shown as ‘Florence’, Bertie George, Elsie Gertrude May, Daisy May, Ralph Victor & Violet Beatrice.
1901 Cen. Living 68 Carlisle Street, Rotton Park, (St Cuthbert’s) Birmingham with husband - : Malleable Iron Caster; their children: Agnes Florence, Bertie George, Elsie Gertrude May, Daisy May, Ralph Victor & Violet Beatrice.
90. John Henry SHORT
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1871 Cen. living at 45 Sheep St in Aston, Birmingham with first wife ; children John Henry, William, Alice, Emma & Lizzie. John’s occupation: Iron CasterKF 1881 census
45 Sheep St, Birmingham, Warwick, England
PRO RG11 Piece/Folio 2990/116 Page 30
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
John SHORT Head M Male 40 Bham, Warwick, England Iron Foundriesman
John SHORT Son U Male 18 Bham, Warwick, England Caster
William SHORT Son U Male 16 Birmingham, Warwick, England Iron Caster
Agnes SHORT Wife M Female 30 Birmingham, Warwick, England Housewife
Alice SHORT Daughter U Female 15 Birmingham, Warwick, England General Help
Emma SHORT Daughter U Female 14 Birmingham, Warwick, England General Servant
Lizzie SHORT Daughter U Female 12 Birmingham, Warwick, England Scholar
Ellen SHORT Daughter U Female 9 Birmingham, Warwick, England Scholar
Charlotte SHORT Daughter U Female 7 Birmingham, Warwick, England Scholar
Agnes F. SHORT Daughter U Female 1 Birmingham, Warwick, England
91. William SHORT
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1871 Cen. living at 45 Sheep St in Aston, Birmingham with first wife ; children John Henry, William, Alice, Emma & Lizzie. John’s occupation: Iron CasterKF 1881 census
45 Sheep St, Birmingham, Warwick, England
PRO RG11 Piece/Folio 2990/116 Page 30
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
John SHORT Head M Male 40 Bham, Warwick, England Iron Foundriesman
John SHORT Son U Male 18 Bham, Warwick, England Caster
William SHORT Son U Male 16 Birmingham, Warwick, England Iron Caster
Agnes SHORT Wife M Female 30 Birmingham, Warwick, England Housewife
Alice SHORT Daughter U Female 15 Birmingham, Warwick, England General Help
Emma SHORT Daughter U Female 14 Birmingham, Warwick, England General Servant
Lizzie SHORT Daughter U Female 12 Birmingham, Warwick, England Scholar
Ellen SHORT Daughter U Female 9 Birmingham, Warwick, England Scholar
Charlotte SHORT Daughter U Female 7 Birmingham, Warwick, England Scholar
Agnes F. SHORT Daughter U Female 1 Birmingham, Warwick, England1891 cen. living 60 Cluster Road, Birmingham, with father and stepmother. Occupation: Caster.
1901 Cen. boarding at 'Golden Lion' public house 46 Legge Street, Bishop's Ryder, Aston, Birmingham. Occupation: Cab driver. At the ‘Golden Lion’ is William’s sister, Emma SHORT, her husband William BEACH - Chandelier Maker & Public House Manager, and their 3 children (but see Census problem under sister Emma’s entry)
96. Charlotte SHORT
1881 Cen. 45 Sheep St in Aston, Birmingham. Living with his second wife: children by first marriage, John Henry, William, Alice, Emma, Lizzie, Ellen & Charlotte; and daughter Agnes Florence by second marriage. Daughter Maud by second marriage is not present and has been found at the home of SH3.9.1 William SHORT.
KF 1881 census
45 Sheep St, Birmingham, Warwick, England
PRO RG11 Piece/Folio 2990/116 Page 30
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
John SHORT Head M Male 40 Bham, Warwick, England Iron Foundriesman
John SHORT Son U Male 18 Bham, Warwick, England Caster
William SHORT Son U Male 16 Birmingham, Warwick, England Iron Caster
Agnes SHORT Wife M Female 30 Birmingham, Warwick, England Housewife
Alice SHORT Daughter U Female 15 Birmingham, Warwick, England General Help
Emma SHORT Daughter U Female 14 Birmingham, Warwick, England General Servant
Lizzie SHORT Daughter U Female 12 Birmingham, Warwick, England Scholar
Ellen SHORT Daughter U Female 9 Birmingham, Warwick, England Scholar
Charlotte SHORT Daughter U Female 7 Birmingham, Warwick, England Scholar
Agnes F. SHORT Daughter U Female 1 Birmingham, Warwick, Englandemail from Mike Short 8.4.2006
A researcher believes this could be Charlotte Louisa SHORT who
m. June Q 1895 SH4.1A.8A.7S Lawrence Ernest HULIN b. 1870, d. 1896, Birmingham. This could also be the Charlotte SHORT living and working at ‘The Coldfield’ (Park Tavern) Sutton Coldfield in 1891 and/or the Charlotte Louisa HULIN who m. in 1897 but there are age discrepancies and no firm corroboration. Birth and m. certs. should be obtained to establish correct person.
97. Maud SHORT
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Cen. 1881 Living at SH3.9A.1 William SHORT’s (son of Helen/Ellen SHORT) house at 4 Bedfod Road, Aston1891 Cen. At 60 ?Cluster? Road, Handsworth (St John), Staffordshire with second wife; child by first marriage, William - aged 28, Occ: Carter; children by second marriage, Maud, Agnes Florence shown as ‘Florence’, Bertie George, Elsie Gertrude May, Daisy May, Ralph Victor & Violet Beatrice. John’s occupation: Retired Iron Founder
1881 Cen. 45 Sheep St in Aston, Birmingham. Living with his second wife: children by first marriage, John Henry, William, Alice, Emma, Lizzie, Ellen & Charlotte; and daughter Agnes Florence by second marriage. Daughter Maud by second marriage is not present and has been found at the home of SH3.9.1 William SHORT.
KF 1881 census
45 Sheep St, Birmingham, Warwick, England
PRO RG11 Piece/Folio 2990/116 Page 30
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
John SHORT Head M Male 40 Bham, Warwick, England Iron Foundriesman
John SHORT Son U Male 18 Bham, Warwick, England Caster
William SHORT Son U Male 16 Birmingham, Warwick, England Iron Caster
Agnes SHORT Wife M Female 30 Birmingham, Warwick, England Housewife
Alice SHORT Daughter U Female 15 Birmingham, Warwick, England General Help
Emma SHORT Daughter U Female 14 Birmingham, Warwick, England General Servant
Lizzie SHORT Daughter U Female 12 Birmingham, Warwick, England Scholar
Ellen SHORT Daughter U Female 9 Birmingham, Warwick, England Scholar
Charlotte SHORT Daughter U Female 7 Birmingham, Warwick, England Scholar
Agnes F. SHORT Daughter U Female 1 Birmingham, Warwick, England1891 Cen. living 60 Cluster Road, Birmingham with parents.
1901 Cen. Living 68 Carlisle Street, Rotton Park, (St Cuthberts) Birmingham with parents. Occupation: Tailoress
Note: m. reg Agnes Florence SHORT Sep Q 1901 West Bromwich 6b 1314 - possible husbands William Howard FOSTER or Harry Thomas BARLOW
1891 Cen. At 60 ?Cluster? Road, Handsworth (St John), Staffordshire with second wife; child by first marriage, William - aged 28, Occ: Carter; children by second marriage, Maud, Agnes Florence shown as ‘Florence’, Bertie George, Elsie Gertrude May, Daisy May, Ralph Victor & Violet Beatrice. John’s occupation: Retired Iron Founder
1901 Cen. Living 68 Carlisle Street, Rotton Park, (St Cuthberts) Birmingham with parents. Occupation: Toolmaker
1891 Cen. At 60 ?Cluster? Road, Handsworth (St John), Staffordshire with second wife; child by first marriage, William - aged 28, Occ: Carter; children by second marriage, Maud, Agnes Florence shown as ‘Florence’, Bertie George, Elsie Gertrude May, Daisy May, Ralph Victor & Violet Beatrice. John’s occupation: Retired Iron Founder
1901 Cen. Living 68 Carlisle Street, Rotton Park, (St Cuthberts) Birmingham with parents. Occupation: Fancy chain maker, gold.
1913 witness to brother Ralph Victor SHORT’s marriage
101. Daisy May SHORT
1891 Cen. At 60 ?Cluster? Road, Handsworth (St John), Staffordshire with second wife; child by first marriage, William - aged 28, Occ: Carter; children by second marriage, Maud, Agnes Florence shown as ‘Florence’, Bertie George, Elsie Gertrude May, Daisy May, Ralph Victor & Violet Beatrice. John’s occupation: Retired Iron Founder
1901 Cen. Living 68 Carlisle Street, Rotton Park, (St Cuthberts) Birmingham with parents. Occupation: Jeweller
1891 Cen. At 60 ?Cluster? Road, Handsworth (St John), Staffordshire with second wife; child by first marriage, William - aged 28, Occ: Carter; children by second marriage, Maud, Agnes Florence shown as ‘Florence’, Bertie George, Elsie Gertrude May, Daisy May, Ralph Victor & Violet Beatrice. John’s occupation: Retired Iron Founder
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1901 Cen. Living 68 Carlisle Street, Rotton Park, (St Cuthberts) Birmingham with parents
From Mike Short 8.4.2006
John Short married Charlotte TALBOT/TALBUTcensus
1871 Cen. living at 45 Sheep St in Aston, Birmingham with first wife ; children John Henry, William, Alice, Emma & Lizzie. John’s occupation: Iron Casteremail from Mike Short 8.9.2006
Can now confirm that wife of John SHORT b. 1840 was Charlotte TALBUT (not TALBOT)
Charlotte TALBUT on 1841 rec. as TALBAT on Ancestry living Russell Street,; 1851 at 32 Sheep St rec. as TALBERT; 1861 at 4 Weaver St - a few doors from George and Dragon rec. as TALBERT.
22. William SHORT
Son of Hellen/Ellen SHORT by earlier relationship
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1841 Cen. Living Canal Street, Birmingham parish with mother, brother and mother’s parents1851 Cen. Not traced - not rec. with mother and stepfather
1861 Cen. 5 Bowyer Street, Deritend & Bordesley, Birmingham with husband - iron caster; children by earlier relationship(s) William - Musician & John James - Iron Wire Drawer; children of second marriage Ellen, Eliza Ann, & Charles Thomas. Also present 2 lodgers inc 1 blind, and a visitor
1861 Cen. 5 Bowyer Street, Deritend & Bordesley, Birmingham with mother and stepfather; brother, half- brother & half-sisters. Also present 2 lodgers inc 1 blind, and a visitor. Note: rec. as m. but wife and children not present. Occupation: Musician (disability column torn away but William is blind)
1871 Cen. Living at 60 Dartmouth St, Duddeston & Nechells, Aston, with wife; children Thomas H - employed factory, William - employed forge, Rose Eliza, George F & Albert Edward. Their daughter, Elizabeth, is not present and is with brother John James and his wife, Amelia, in Plumstead, Kent. Note: William is recorded as blind & a musician.
1881 census
4 Bedford Rd, Aston, Warwick, England
PRO RG11 Piece/Folio 3017/113 Page 45
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
William SHORT Head M Male 45 Bham, Warwick, England Musician
Betsy SHORT Wife M Female 44 Alvington, Gloucester, England
Rose SHORT Daur U Female 17 Bham, Warwick, England Bedstead Painter (Brass)
Elizabeth SHORT Daur U Female 16 Bham, Warwick, England Warehouse Girl At Bedstead Factory
George F. SHORT Son Male 13 Bham, Warwick, England Scholar
Albert SHORT Son Male 12 Bham, Warwick, England Scholar
Charles SHORT Son Male 10 Bham, Warwick, England Scholar
John J. SHORT Son Male 8 Bham, Warwick, England Scholar
Alfred SHORT Son Male 5 Bham, Warwick, England Scholar
Maud SHORT Cousin Female 2 Bham, Warwick, England
Known as Betsy
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1841 Cen shown as Betsy aged 8, with parents, Alvington Gloucestershire with parents and sibling Eliza DREW b. 1831/2 Alvington.
1851 Cen shown as Elizabeth, 19 years, a house servant in Alvington1871 Cen. Living at 60 Dartmouth St, Duddeston & Nechells, Aston, with husband; children Thomas H - employed factory, William - employed forge, Rose Eliza, George F & Albert Edward. Their daughter, Elizabeth, is not present and is with husband’s brother John James SHORT and his wife, Amelia, in Plumstead, Kent. Note: husband William is recorded as blind & a musician.
1881 census
4 Bedford Rd, Aston, Warwick, England
PRO RG11 Piece/Folio 3017/113 Page 45
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
William SHORT Head M Male 45 Bham, Warwick, England Musician
Betsy SHORT Wife M Female 44 Alvington, Gloucester, England
Rose SHORT Daur U Female 17 Bham, Warwick, England Bedstead Painter (Brass)
Elizabeth SHORT Daur U Female 16 Bham, Warwick, England Warehouse Girl At Bedstead Factory
George F. SHORT Son Male 13 Bham, Warwick, England Scholar
Albert SHORT Son Male 12 Bham, Warwick, England Scholar
Charles SHORT Son Male 10 Bham, Warwick, England Scholar
John J. SHORT Son Male 8 Bham, Warwick, England Scholar
Alfred SHORT Son Male 5 Bham, Warwick, England Scholar
Maud SHORT Cousin Female 2 Bham, Warwick, England1891 Cen. wife Elizabeth living 19 Butler Street, Bordesley, Aston - washerwoman, with children Rose, Albert - tube drawer, Charles, gas labourer, Alfred - brass fitter
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After d. of William, 1891 Cen. wife Elizabeth living 19 Butler Street, Bordesley, Aston - washerwoman, with children Rose, Albert - tube drawer, Charles, gas labourer, Alfred - brass fitter.
111. Thomas H SHORT
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1861 Cen. No trace of Thomas, his brother William or mother. Father, William SHORT, is with at his mother and stepfather’s house
1871 Cen. Living at 60 Dartmouth St, Duddeston & Nechells, Aston, with parents. Thomas’s occupation: employed factory
112. William SHORT
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1861 Cen. No trace of William, his brother Thomas or mother. Father, William SHORT, is at mother and stepfather’s house
1871 Cen. Living at 60 Dartmouth St, Duddeston & Nechells, Aston, with parents.
113. Rose Eliza SHORT
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1871 Cen. Living at 60 Dartmouth St, Duddeston & Nechells, Aston, with parents. Occupation: employed forge1891 Cen. living 19 Butler Street, Bordesley, Aston with widowed mother
No further traceKF 1881 census
4 Bedford Rd, Aston, Warwick, England
PRO RG11 Piece/Folio 3017/113 Page 45
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
William SHORT Head M Male 45 Bham, Warwick, England Musician
Betsy SHORT Wife M Female 44 Alvington, Gloucester, England
Rose SHORT Daur U Female 17 Bham, Warwick, England Bedstead Painter (Brass)
Elizabeth SHORT Daur U Female 16 Bham, Warwick, England Warehouse Girl At Bedstead Factory
George F. SHORT Son Male 13 Bham, Warwick, England Scholar
Albert SHORT Son Male 12 Bham, Warwick, England Scholar
Charles SHORT Son Male 10 Bham, Warwick, England Scholar
John J. SHORT Son Male 8 Bham, Warwick, England Scholar
Alfred SHORT Son Male 5 Bham, Warwick, England Scholar
Maud SHORT Cousin Female 2 Bham, Warwick, England
114. Elizabeth SHORT
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1871 Cen: with uncle John James SHORT and his wife Amelia in Plumstead, KentKF 1881 census
4 Bedford Rd, Aston, Warwick, England
PRO RG11 Piece/Folio 3017/113 Page 45
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
William SHORT Head M Male 45 Bham, Warwick, England Musician
Betsy SHORT Wife M Female 44 Alvington, Gloucester, England
Rose SHORT Daur U Female 17 Bham, Warwick, England Bedstead Painter (Brass)
Elizabeth SHORT Daur U Female 16 Bham, Warwick, England Warehouse Girl At Bedstead Factory
George F. SHORT Son Male 13 Bham, Warwick, England Scholar
Albert SHORT Son Male 12 Bham, Warwick, England Scholar
Charles SHORT Son Male 10 Bham, Warwick, England Scholar
John J. SHORT Son Male 8 Bham, Warwick, England Scholar
Alfred SHORT Son Male 5 Bham, Warwick, England Scholar
Maud SHORT Cousin Female 2 Bham, Warwick, England
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1871 Cen. Living at 60 Dartmouth St, Duddeston & Nechells, Aston, with parents. Occupation: employed forge1891 Cen. Is a record of a Private George F SHORT at Chatham, Kent, District Royal Marines
KF 1881 census
4 Bedford Rd, Aston, Warwick, England
PRO RG11 Piece/Folio 3017/113 Page 45
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
William SHORT Head M Male 45 Bham, Warwick, England Musician
Betsy SHORT Wife M Female 44 Alvington, Gloucester, England
Rose SHORT Daur U Female 17 Bham, Warwick, England Bedstead Painter (Brass)
Elizabeth SHORT Daur U Female 16 Bham, Warwick, England Warehouse Girl At Bedstead Factory
George F. SHORT Son Male 13 Bham, Warwick, England Scholar
Albert SHORT Son Male 12 Bham, Warwick, England Scholar
Charles SHORT Son Male 10 Bham, Warwick, England Scholar
John J. SHORT Son Male 8 Bham, Warwick, England Scholar
Alfred SHORT Son Male 5 Bham, Warwick, England Scholar
Maud SHORT Cousin Female 2 Bham, Warwick, England
116. Albert SHORT
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1871 Cen. Living at 60 Dartmouth St, Duddeston & Nechells, Aston, with parents.1891 Cen. living 19 Butler Street, Bordesley, Aston with widowed mother. Occupation: Tube Drawer
1901 Not traced (is not the Albert Edward SHORT with wife Alice Mary HAYWARD - they m. 1889)KF 1881 census
4 Bedford Rd, Aston, Warwick, England
PRO RG11 Piece/Folio 3017/113 Page 45
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
William SHORT Head M Male 45 Bham, Warwick, England Musician
Betsy SHORT Wife M Female 44 Alvington, Gloucester, England
Rose SHORT Daur U Female 17 Bham, Warwick, England Bedstead Painter (Brass)
Elizabeth SHORT Daur U Female 16 Bham, Warwick, England Warehouse Girl At Bedstead Factory
George F. SHORT Son Male 13 Bham, Warwick, England Scholar
Albert SHORT Son Male 12 Bham, Warwick, England Scholar
Charles SHORT Son Male 10 Bham, Warwick, England Scholar
John J. SHORT Son Male 8 Bham, Warwick, England Scholar
Alfred SHORT Son Male 5 Bham, Warwick, England Scholar
Maud SHORT Cousin Female 2 Bham, Warwick, England
117. Charles SHORT
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1891 Cen. living 19 Butler Street, Bordesley, Aston with widowed mother. Occupation: Gas Labourer. 1901 - not tracedKF 1881 census
4 Bedford Rd, Aston, Warwick, England
PRO RG11 Piece/Folio 3017/113 Page 45
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
William SHORT Head M Male 45 Bham, Warwick, England Musician
Betsy SHORT Wife M Female 44 Alvington, Gloucester, England
Rose SHORT Daur U Female 17 Bham, Warwick, England Bedstead Painter (Brass)
Elizabeth SHORT Daur U Female 16 Bham, Warwick, England Warehouse Girl At Bedstead Factory
George F. SHORT Son Male 13 Bham, Warwick, England Scholar
Albert SHORT Son Male 12 Bham, Warwick, England Scholar
Charles SHORT Son Male 10 Bham, Warwick, England Scholar
John J. SHORT Son Male 8 Bham, Warwick, England Scholar
Alfred SHORT Son Male 5 Bham, Warwick, England Scholar
Maud SHORT Cousin Female 2 Bham, Warwick, England
118. John James SHORT
KF 1881 census
4 Bedford Rd, Aston, Warwick, England
PRO RG11 Piece/Folio 3017/113 Page 45
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
William SHORT Head M Male 45 Bham, Warwick, England Musician
Betsy SHORT Wife M Female 44 Alvington, Gloucester, England
Rose SHORT Daur U Female 17 Bham, Warwick, England Bedstead Painter (Brass)
Elizabeth SHORT Daur U Female 16 Bham, Warwick, England Warehouse Girl At Bedstead Factory
George F. SHORT Son Male 13 Bham, Warwick, England Scholar
Albert SHORT Son Male 12 Bham, Warwick, England Scholar
Charles SHORT Son Male 10 Bham, Warwick, England Scholar
John J. SHORT Son Male 8 Bham, Warwick, England Scholar
Alfred SHORT Son Male 5 Bham, Warwick, England Scholar
Maud SHORT Cousin Female 2 Bham, Warwick, England
119. Alfred SHORT
KF1881 census
4 Bedford Rd, Aston, Warwick, England
PRO RG11 Piece/Folio 3017/113 Page 45
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
William SHORT Head M Male 45 Bham, Warwick, England Musician
Betsy SHORT Wife M Female 44 Alvington, Gloucester, England
Rose SHORT Daur U Female 17 Bham, Warwick, England Bedstead Painter (Brass)
Elizabeth SHORT Daur U Female 16 Bham, Warwick, England Warehouse Girl At Bedstead Factory
George F. SHORT Son Male 13 Bham, Warwick, England Scholar
Albert SHORT Son Male 12 Bham, Warwick, England Scholar
Charles SHORT Son Male 10 Bham, Warwick, England Scholar
John J. SHORT Son Male 8 Bham, Warwick, England Scholar
Alfred SHORT Son Male 5 Bham, Warwick, England Scholar
Maud SHORT Cousin Female 2 Bham, Warwick, Englandemail from Mike Short 8.4.2006
1891 Cen. living 19 Butler Street, Bordesley, Aston with widowed mother. Occupation: Brass Fitter
1901 Not traced
23. John James SHORT
Son of Hellen/Ellen SHORT by earlier relationship
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1841 Cen. Living Canal Street, Birmingham parish with mother, brother and mother’s parents1851 Cen. Living Pritchett Street, Birmingham St Stephens with son John James by earlier relationship; husband and their daughter Ellen. Husband’s occupation: Boat Wharf Labourer
1861 Cen. 5 Bowyer Street, Deritend & Bordesley, Birmingham with mother and stepfather; brother, step brother & stepsisters. Also present 2 lodgers inc 1 blind, and a visitor. Occupation: Iron Wire Drawer
1871 Cen: living 13 Parry Place, Plumstead, Kent - wire drawer, with wife Amelia b. 1846/7 Birmingham, and ‘niece’ Elizabeth SHORT b. abt. 1865. This is brother William’s daughter, Elizabeth.
1881 Cen. Wife Amelia, and their two children Charles SHORT aged 4 b. Woolwich Arsenal & Annie E SHORT aged 1 b. Birmingham staying with mother & stepfather at 1 Thornton Buildings, Bordesley, Birmingham but John James not present and not traced further
1881 census
4 Thornton Blds, Aston, Warwick, England
PRO Ref RG11 Piece/Folio 3018/25 Page 3
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Charles JONES Head M Male 60 Birmingham General Labourer
Ellen JONES Wife M Female 64 BirminghamAmelia SHORT Dau In Law (Head) M Female 35 Birmingham Screw Worker
Charles SHORT Son Male 4 Woolwich Arsenal
Annie E. SHORT Dau Female 1 BirminghamGeorge S. JENKINS Son In Law (Head) M Male 31 Hay, Brecknock, Wales Labourer General
Eliza A. JENKINS Wife M Female 28 Aston, Warwick, England
Jane JENKINS Dau Female 1 Birmingham
Ellen LINES Lodger U Female 41 Birmingham Iron Bedstead Painter
William T. LINES Son Male 9 Birmingham Scholar
120. Charles SHORT
1881 census
4 Thornton Blds, Aston, Warwick, England
PRO Ref RG11 Piece/Folio 3018/25 Page 3
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Charles JONES Head M Male 60 Birmingham General Labourer
Ellen JONES Wife M Female 64 BirminghamAmelia SHORT Dau In Law (Head) M Female 35 Birmingham Screw Worker
Charles SHORT Son Male 4 Woolwich Arsenal
Annie E. SHORT Dau Female 1 BirminghamGeorge S. JENKINS Son In Law (Head) M Male 31 Hay, Brecknock, Wales Labourer General
Eliza A. JENKINS Wife M Female 28 Aston, Warwick, England
Jane JENKINS Dau Female 1 Birmingham
Ellen LINES Lodger U Female 41 Birmingham Iron Bedstead Painter
William T. LINES Son Male 9 Birmingham Scholar
1881 census
4 Thornton Blds, Aston, Warwick, England
PRO Ref RG11 Piece/Folio 3018/25 Page 3
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Charles JONES Head M Male 60 Birmingham General Labourer
Ellen JONES Wife M Female 64 BirminghamAmelia SHORT Dau In Law (Head) M Female 35 Birmingham Screw Worker
Charles SHORT Son Male 4 Woolwich Arsenal
Annie E. SHORT Dau Female 1 BirminghamGeorge S. JENKINS Son In Law (Head) M Male 31 Hay, Brecknock, Wales Labourer General
Eliza A. JENKINS Wife M Female 28 Aston, Warwick, England
Jane JENKINS Dau Female 1 Birmingham
Ellen LINES Lodger U Female 41 Birmingham Iron Bedstead Painter
William T. LINES Son Male 9 Birmingham Scholar
25. Eliza Ann JONES
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1861 Cen. 5 Bowyer Street, Deritend & Bordesley, Birmingham with husband - iron caster; children by earlier relationship(s) William - Musician & John James - Iron Wire Drawer; children of second marriage Ellen, Eliza Ann, & Charles Thomas. Also present 2 lodgers inc 1 blind, and a visitor1881 census
4 Thornton Blds, Aston, Warwick, England
PRO Ref RG11 Piece/Folio 3018/25 Page 3
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Charles JONES Head M Male 60 Birmingham General Labourer
Ellen JONES Wife M Female 64 BirminghamAmelia SHORT Dau In Law (Head) M Female 35 Birmingham Screw Worker
Charles SHORT Son Male 4 Woolwich Arsenal
Annie E. SHORT Dau Female 1 BirminghamGeorge S. JENKINS Son In Law (Head) M Male 31 Hay, Brecknock, Wales Labourer General
Eliza A. JENKINS Wife M Female 28 Aston, Warwick, England
Jane JENKINS Dau Female 1 Birmingham
Ellen LINES Lodger U Female 41 Birmingham Iron Bedstead Painter
William T. LINES Son Male 9 Birmingham Scholaremail from Mike Short 8.4.2006
1891 Cen. 2 Bowyer Street, Bordesley, Aston, Birmingham with husband - general labourer;
children Ellen SHORT b.1876/7; Jane JENKINS b. 1879/80, Charlotte E JENKINS b. 1881/2, Nathaniel JENKINS b. 1883/4,Francis H JENKINS n. 1886/7 & Oscar JENKINS b. 1888/9
1881 census
4 Thornton Blds, Aston, Warwick, England
PRO Ref RG11 Piece/Folio 3018/25 Page 3
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Charles JONES Head M Male 60 Birmingham General Labourer
Ellen JONES Wife M Female 64 BirminghamAmelia SHORT Dau In Law (Head) M Female 35 Birmingham Screw Worker
Charles SHORT Son Male 4 Woolwich Arsenal
Annie E. SHORT Dau Female 1 BirminghamGeorge S. JENKINS Son In Law (Head) M Male 31 Hay, Brecknock, Wales Labourer General
Eliza A. JENKINS Wife M Female 28 Aston, Warwick, England
Jane JENKINS Dau Female 1 Birmingham
Ellen LINES Lodger U Female 41 Birmingham Iron Bedstead Painter
William T. LINES Son Male 9 Birmingham Scholaremail from Mike Short 8.4.2006
1891 Cen. 2 Bowyer Street, Bordesley, Aston, Birmingham with husband - general labourer;
children Ellen SHORT b.1876/7; Jane JENKINS b. 1879/80, Charlotte E JENKINS b. 1881/2, Nathaniel JENKINS b. 1883/4,Francis H JENKINS n. 1886/7 & Oscar JENKINS b. 1888/9
122. Jane JENKINS
1881 census
4 Thornton Blds, Aston, Warwick, England
PRO Ref RG11 Piece/Folio 3018/25 Page 3
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Charles JONES Head M Male 60 Birmingham General Labourer
Ellen JONES Wife M Female 64 BirminghamAmelia SHORT Dau In Law (Head) M Female 35 Birmingham Screw Worker
Charles SHORT Son Male 4 Woolwich Arsenal
Annie E. SHORT Dau Female 1 BirminghamGeorge S. JENKINS Son In Law (Head) M Male 31 Hay, Brecknock, Wales Labourer General
Eliza A. JENKINS Wife M Female 28 Aston, Warwick, England
Jane JENKINS Dau Female 1 Birmingham
Ellen LINES Lodger U Female 41 Birmingham Iron Bedstead Painter
William T. LINES Son Male 9 Birmingham Scholaremail from Mike Short 8.4.2006
1891 Cen. 2 Bowyer Street, Bordesley, Aston, Birmingham with husband - general labourer;
children Ellen SHORT b.1876/7; Jane JENKINS b. 1879/80, Charlotte E JENKINS b. 1881/2, Nathaniel JENKINS b. 1883/4,Francis H JENKINS n. 1886/7 & Oscar JENKINS b. 1888/9
123. Charlotte JENKINS
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1891 Cen. 2 Bowyer Street, Bordesley, Aston, Birmingham with husband - general labourer;
children Ellen SHORT b.1876/7; Jane JENKINS b. 1879/80, Charlotte E JENKINS b. 1881/2, Nathaniel JENKINS b. 1883/4,Francis H JENKINS n. 1886/7 & Oscar JENKINS b. 1888/9
124. Nathaniel JENKINS
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1891 Cen. 2 Bowyer Street, Bordesley, Aston, Birmingham with husband - general labourer;
children Ellen SHORT b.1876/7; Jane JENKINS b. 1879/80, Charlotte E JENKINS b. 1881/2, Nathaniel JENKINS b. 1883/4,Francis H JENKINS n. 1886/7 & Oscar JENKINS b. 1888/9
125. Francis H JENKINS
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1891 Cen. 2 Bowyer Street, Bordesley, Aston, Birmingham with husband - general labourer;
children Ellen SHORT b.1876/7; Jane JENKINS b. 1879/80, Charlotte E JENKINS b. 1881/2, Nathaniel JENKINS b. 1883/4,Francis H JENKINS n. 1886/7 & Oscar JENKINS b. 1888/9
126. Oscar JENKINS
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1891 Cen. 2 Bowyer Street, Bordesley, Aston, Birmingham with husband - general labourer;
children Ellen SHORT b.1876/7; Jane JENKINS b. 1879/80, Charlotte E JENKINS b. 1881/2, Nathaniel JENKINS b. 1883/4,Francis H JENKINS n. 1886/7 & Oscar JENKINS b. 1888/9
32. Thomas SHORT
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1851 Cen. living at 12c Francis Street, Aston with parents1861 Cen. Living 71 Princip Street, Birmingham St George with parents
m(1) SH3.11.1AS Mary, b. 1848 Birmingham1871 Cen. Living 30 Warwick Street, Woolwich, Kent with wife Mary and their children, Louisa, James and Thomas. Occupation: Wire drawer
betw. 1877-80 moved back to B’ham
1881 Cen. Living at 4 Edith Rd., Winson Green Road, Birmingham with second wife Caroline; children James & Thomas by first marriage; children Annie, Caroline, Minnie & Jane by second marriage. Occupation: Iron Wire Drawer
bef. 1888/9 moved to Ulverston, Cumberland and then to Manchester bef. 1891
1891 Cen. Living at 63 Cross Street, Bradford, Christchurch, Manchester with wife; children by second marriage, Caroline - occ. Weaver, Minnie, Jane, Samuel, Harry & John Charles. Occupation: Wire drawer. Gap of at least six years betw. b. of Samuel & Harry suggests more children who did not survive.
betw. 1891 and 1892 moved to Warrington
1901 Cen. At 122 Battersby Road, Warrington with wife; child from first m. Thomas - Moulders core maker, unmarried; children by second marriage Ann - domestic nurse, Jane - machinist shirts, Harry - Barber’s Lather Boy, Albert, Robert, Frank & Harold
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Possibility only of her on 1850 at 160 Livery Street, Birmingham with Irish Grandparents John & Mary GRUNDY, Master Boot & ShoemakersKF from BMD 30.4.2006 got these as possible deaths
Deaths Jun 1871 Short Mary Agnes 22 Hampstead 1a 471
Dec 1871 Short Mary 32 Woolwich 1d 624 (wrong age though - too old)
Mar 1873 SHORT Mary 19 Lambeth 1d 269 (wrong age though - too young)
June 1873 Short Mary Emily 28 Woolwich 1d 536 (wrong age but strong contender if b 1848 then 25)
127. Louisa SHORT
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1871 Cen. Living 30 Warwick Street, Woolwich, Kent with parents
1881 Cen. Possibly Gen Domestic Servant at 16 Winson Green Road, Birmingham All Saints
128. James SHORT
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1871 Cen. Living 30 Warwick Street, Woolwich, Kent with parents
1881 Cen. Living at 4 Edith Rd., Winson Green Road, Birmingham with father & stepmother
129. Thomas SHORT
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1871 Cen. Living 30 Warwick Street, Woolwich, Kent with parents
1881 Cen. Living at 4 Edith Rd., Winson Green Road, Birmingham with father & stepmother
1901 Cen. At 122 Battersby Road, Warrington with father & stepmother. Occupation: Moulder’s Core maker. Unmarried
133. Annie SHORT
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1881 Cen. Living at 4 Edith Rd., Winson Green Road, Birmingham with parents
Not traced further
134. Caroline SHORT
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1881 Cen. Living at 4 Edith Rd., Winson Green Road, Birmingham with parents
1891 Cen. Living at 63 Cross Street, Bradford, Christchurch, Manchester with parents. Occupation: Weaver
1901 Cen. At 122 Battersby Road, Warrington with parents. Occupation: Domestic Nurse
136. Jane SHORT
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1881 Cen. Living at 4 Edith Rd., Winson Green Road, Birmingham with parents
1891 Cen. Living at 63 Cross Street, Bradford, Christchurch, Manchester with parents
1901 Cen. At 122 Battersby Road, Warrington with parents. Occupation: Machinist, shirts
137. Samuel SHORT
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1891 Cen. Living at 63 Cross Street, Bradford, Christchurch, Manchester with parents
138. Harry SHORT
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1891 Cen. Living at 63 Cross Street, Bradford, Christchurch, Manchester with parents
1901 Cen. At 122 Battersby Road, Warrington with parents. Occupation Barber’s Lather Boy
139. John Charles SHORT
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1891 Cen. Living at 63 Cross Street, Bradford, Christchurch, Manchester with parents
Note: not with parents on 1901 Cen.
140. Albert SHORT
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1901 Cen. At 122 Battersby Road, Warrington with parents.
141. Robert SHORT
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1901 Cen. At 122 Battersby Road, Warrington with parents.
142. Frank SHORT
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1901 Cen. At 122 Battersby Road, Warrington with parents.
143. Harold SHORT
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1901 Cen. At 122 Battersby Road, Warrington with parents
34. Sarah SHORT
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1851 Cen. living at 12c Francis Street, Aston with parents1861 Cen. Living 71 Princip Street, Birmingham St George with parents
m. Mar Q 1869 Birmingham, SH3.11.3S Benjamin WILLIAMS b 1849/50 Birmingham
1871 Cen. Living Abbott Road, Woolwich St Mary, Essex with husband; children Louisa J & Susan C. Benjamin’s occupation: wire drawer1881 Cen. Living, Back 18 Cuthbert Road, Birmingham with husband; children Louisa J, Susan C, Thomas, Alice, Samuel, Albert & Benjamin. Husband’s occupation: wire drawer
1891 Cen. Living 118 Winson Street, Rotton Park, Birmingham St Cuthberts with husband; children Louisa J - Warehouse Girl, Thomas - Iron Corrugator, Alice - Warehouse Girl, Samuel - Machinist, Albert, Benjamin, Ada, Leah, Edward & Rose
1901 Cen. Living at 146 Waterloo Road, Smethwick, Worcestershire with husband; children Samuel - ….Labourer with his wife Ellen & their daughter Ade E WILLIAMS; children Benjamin - ….Metal Worker, Leah - Screw Worker & Edward - Errand boy. Note that children Ada and Rose are not present and may have died.
144. Louisa J WILLIAMS
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1871 Cen. Living Abbott Road, Woolwich St Mary, Essex with parents 1881 Cen. Living, Back 18 Cuthbert Road, Birmingham with parents
1891 Cen. Living 118 Winson Street, Rotton Park, Birmingham St Cuthberts with parents. Occupation - Warehouse Girl
145. Susannah Caroline WILLIAMS
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1871 Cen. Living Abbott Road, Woolwich St Mary, Essex with parents
1881 Cen. Living, Back 18 Cuthbert Road, Birmingham with parents
146. Thomas WILLIAMS
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1881 Cen. Living, Back 18 Cuthbert Road, Birmingham with parents
1891 Cen. Living 118 Winson Street, Rotton Park, Birmingham St Cuthberts with parents. Occupation - Iron Corrugator
147. Alice WILLIAMS
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1881 Cen. Living, Back 18 Cuthbert Road, Birmingham with parents
1891 Cen. Living 118 Winson Street, Rotton Park, Birmingham St Cuthberts with parents. Occupation - Warehouse Girl
149. Albert WILLIAMS
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1881 Cen. Living, Back 18 Cuthbert Road, Birmingham with parents
1891 Cen. Living 118 Winson Street, Rotton Park, Birmingham St Cuthberts with parents.
150. Benjamin WILLIAMS
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1891 Cen. Living 118 Winson Street, Rotton Park, Birmingham St Cuthberts with parents.
1901 Cen. Living at 146 Waterloo Road, Smethwick, Worcestershire with parents. Occupation: Metal Worker
151. Ada WILLIAMS
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1891 Cen. Living 118 Winson Street, Rotton Park, Birmingham St Cuthberts with parents.
1901 Cen. No trace
152. Leah WILLIAMS
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1891 Cen. Living 118 Winson Street, Rotton Park, Birmingham St Cuthberts with parents.
1901 Cen. Living at 146 Waterloo Road, Smethwick, Worcestershire with parents. Occupation: Screw Worker
153. Edward WILLIAMS
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1891 Cen. Living 118 Winson Street, Rotton Park, Birmingham St Cuthberts with parents.
1901 Cen. Living at 146 Waterloo Road, Smethwick, Worcestershire with parents. Occupation: Errand Boy
154. Rose WILLIAMS
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1891 Cen. Living 118 Winson Street, Rotton Park, Birmingham St Cuthberts with parents.
1901 Cen. Living at 146 Waterloo Road, Smethwick, Worcestershire with parents