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One child of parents m. is known - John William SMITH b. 1861/2 is living with Eliza’s grandparents in 1871 but there may be more children b. betw. 1849 and 18611871 Cen. With grandparents at 364 Nechells Park, Duddeston & Nechells, Birmingham
1881 census
9 Needham Street, Aston, Warwick, England
PRO RG11 Piece/Folio 3035/135 Page 30
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Frances William GREEN Head M Male 48 Birmingham, Warwick, England Carpenter
Eliza Stone GREEN Wife M Female 59 Birmingham, Warwick, England ((Carpenter))
Elena GREEN Daur U Female 21 Birmingham, Warwick, England Domestic Servant
John William GREEN Son U Male 19 Birmingham, Warwick, England Builders Clerk
Jane GREEN Daur U Female 18 Birmingham, Warwick, England Board School Teacherm(1) 1882 Jun Q Aston,Mary Ann ABBOTT. Note: It is just possible that this is his first cousin b. 29 Dec 1859, daughter of his mother’s sister, Mary Ann SHORT & Joseph ABBOTT. Researchers interested in these branches may wish to obtain m. cert.
1891 Cen living ‘Abbottsford’ 119 Charles Road, Bordesley, Aston with son SH5.1A.1A.1A.1 John F SMITH b. 1886/7, his mother’s second husband, Francis William GREEN - pattern maker; and his daughter by first marriage, Jane GREEN - certified elementary school teacher.
1901 Cen. Living 16 Charles Road, Aston (St Oswalds Ward) - occupation Builder & Contractor (Employer), with wife; children Ewart Dempster SMITH b. 1894 Birmingham & Minette Louise SMITH b. 1899 Birmingham
email Mike Short 8.4.2006 about John Smith's marriage
m(1) 1882 Jun Q Aston, Mary Ann ABBOTT. Note: It is just possible that this is his first cousin b. 29 Dec 1859, daughter of his mother’s sister, Mary Ann SHORT & Joseph ABBOTT. Researchers interested in these branches may wish to obtain m. cert.
155. John F SMITH
email from Mike Short 8.4.2006
42. Francis William (Frank) GREEN
not found on the 1881 census. Had they already left for Australia by then?
census details from Mike Short emailed 8.4.2006
1881 Cen. Living 1 Mount Terrace, Cattell Road, Aston (wrongly enumerated as James GREEN) with wife; children Francis Paul (Frank) & Herbert William (Bert)1891 Cen. Living 19 Grove Terrace, Handsworth, Staffordshire with wife; children Francis Paul (Frank), & Herbert William (Bert), Sidney, Cyril, Walter& Maude. Occupation: Brassfounder. Also present is sister Clara BRADLEY - Warehouse woman
1901 Cen. Living 142 Murdoch Road, Handsworth, Staffordshire with wife; children Francis Paul (Frank) - Brassfounder fitter, Herbert William (Bert) - Gunmaker driller miller, Cyril - Brass chandelier maker, Walter, Hydraulic engineer turner, Maude, Gertrude, Stanley, Dorothy, Raymond & Hilda J. Francis William’s occupation: Brassfounder Fitter. Note: Sidney is not present on and has not been traced. Also present is sister Clara BRADLEY - Papier Mache Maker
In the following year, 1861 Eliza appears on the 1861 census as 11 mths old living with her parents, George Bradley, aged 31 a Paper Maker born in Newbury, Berks, and her mother Emma, aged 25, and her older sister,Emma aged 5. The full address is given as 9, Eden Place, Guildford Street. (See 'Emma Short and the Shorts' p.3-4). Since this 1861 census was taken on April 27th Eliza should really be 1 year old.
On the 1871 census Eliza aged 11 is recorded as living at 21 Walsall Road with her parents, and her sisters Emma aged 15, and Clara aged 7 and her brother George aged 5.
not found on the 1881 census. Had they already left for Australia by then?
Maureen's notes:
All Emma Green's family emigrated to Australia except possibly Bert Green & family. Frank & Stanley (& possibly Cyril) quarrelled with their father and therefore changed their surnames to Hill. I met Maud, Gertie & Stan at the house he was building in Slack's Creek, Queensland, Australia in 1965. I did not get much conversation with Maud & Gertie as Stan never stopped talking. He thought he knew everything. He wrote a letter to Granddad saying I was 'lily-livered' for not staying to live in Australia, so I wrote back and told him off.
I met Joan & family in Sydney in 1965 but they were about to move. I've lost their address. They seemed nice people.
==================================================================census details from Mike Short
1881 Cen. Living 1 Mount Terrace, Cattell Road, Aston (husband wrongly enumerated as James GREEN) with husband; children Francis Paul (Frank) & Herbert William (Bert)1891 Cen. Living 19 Grove Terrace, Handsworth, Staffordshire with husband - Brassfounder; and children Francis Paul (Frank), & Herbert William (Bert), Sydney (or Sidney), Cyril, Walter& Maude. Also present is sister Clara BRADLEY - Warehouse woman
1901 Cen. Living 142 Murdoch Road, Handsworth, Staffordshire with husband - Brassfounder fitter; children Francis Paul (Frank) - Brassfounder fitter, Herbert William (Bert) - Gunmaker driller miller, Cyril - Brass chandelier maker, Walter, Hydraulic engineer turner, Maude, Gertrude, Stanley, Dorothy, Raymond & Hilda J. Note: Sydney (or Sidney) is not present on and has not been traced. Also present is sister Clara BRADLEY - Papier Mache Maker
159. Francis Paul (Frank) GREEN KNOWN AS HILL
Maureen's notes:
All Emma Green's family emigrated to Australia except possibly Bert Green & family. Frank & Stanley (& possibly Cyril) quarrelled with their father and therefore changed their surnames to Hill. I met Maud, Gertie & Stan at the house he was building in Slack's Creek, Queensland, Australia in 1965. I did not get much conversation with Maud & Gertie as Stan never stopped talking. He thought he knew everything. He wrote a letter to Granddad saying I was 'lily-livered' for not staying to live in Australia, so I wrote back and told him off.
I met Joan & family in Sydney in 1965 but they were about to move. I've lost their address. They seemed nice people.
==================================================================census details from Mike Short 8.4.2006
1881 Cen. Living 1 Mount Terrace, Cattell Road, Aston (father wrongly enumerated as James GREEN) with parents
1891 Cen. Living 19 Grove Terrace, Handsworth, Staffordshire with parents
1901 Cen. Living 142 Murdoch Road, Handsworth, Staffordshire with parents. Occupation: Brassfounder Fitter
Emigrated Australia
Quarrelled with father and changed surname to HILL as did brother Stanley and, possibly, Cyril
No further information
161. Sidney GREEN
census details from Mike Short 8.4.2006
1891 Cen. Living 19 Grove Terrace, Handsworth, Staffordshire with parents
1901 Cen. not traced
No further information
162. Cyril GREEN KNOWN AS HILL
census details from Mike Short 8.4.2006
1891 Cen. Living 19 Grove Terrace, Handsworth, Staffordshire with parents
1901 Cen. Living 142 Murdoch Road, Handsworth, Staffordshire with parents. Occupation: Brass Chandelier Maker
Emigrated Australia
Brothers Stanley and Francis Paul (Frank) quarrelled with father and changed surname to HILL, thought that Cyril may have done also
No further information
163. Walter GREEN
census details from Mike Short 8.4.2006
1891 Cen. Living 19 Grove Terrace, Handsworth, Staffordshire with parents
1901 Cen. Living 142 Murdoch Road, Handsworth, Staffordshire with parents. Occupation: Hydraulic Engineer Turner
Emigrated Australia
No further information
164. Maud GREEN
Maureen's notes:
All Emma Green's family emigrated to Australia except possibly Bert Green & family. Frank & Stanley (& possibly Cyril) quarrelled with their father and therefore changed their surnames to Hill. I met Maud, Gertie & Stan at the house he was building in Slack's Creek, Queensland, Australia in 1965. I did not get much conversation with Maud & Gertie as Stan never stopped talking. He thought he knew everything. He wrote a letter to Granddad saying I was 'lily-livered' for not staying to live in Australia, so I wrote back and told him off.
I met Joan & family in Sydney in 1965 but they were about to move. I've lost their address. They seemed nice people.
==================================================================census details from Mike Short 8.4.2006
1891 Cen. Living 19 Grove Terrace, Handsworth, Staffordshire with parents
Emigrated Australia
No further information
165. Gertrude GREEN
Maureen's notes:
All Emma Green's family emigrated to Australia except possibly Bert Green & family. Frank & Stanley (& possibly Cyril) quarrelled with their father and therefore changed their surnames to Hill. I met Maud, Gertie & Stan at the house he was building in Slack's Creek, Queensland, Australia in 1965. I did not get much conversation with Maud & Gertie as Stan never stopped talking. He thought he knew everything. He wrote a letter to Granddad saying I was 'lily-livered' for not staying to live in Australia, so I wrote back and told him off.
I met Joan & family in Sydney in 1965 but they were about to move. I've lost their address. They seemed nice people.
==================================================================census details from Mike Short 8.4.2006
1901 Cen. Living 142 Murdoch Road, Handsworth, Staffordshire with parents
Emigrated Australia
No further information
166. Stanley GREEN KNOWN AS HILL
Maureen's notes:
All Emma Green's family emigrated to Australia except possibly Bert Green & family. Frank & Stanley (& possibly Cyril) quarrelled with their father and therefore changed their surnames to Hill. I met Maud, Gertie & Stan at the house he was building in Slack's Creek, Queensland, Australia in 1965. I did not get much conversation with Maud & Gertie as Stan never stopped talking. He thought he knew everything. He wrote a letter to Granddad saying I was 'lily-livered' for not staying to live in Australia, so I wrote back and told him off.
I met Joan & family in Sydney in 1965 but they were about to move. I've lost their address. They seemed nice people.
==================================================================census details from Mike Short 8.4.2006
1901 Cen. Living 142 Murdoch Road, Handsworth, Staffordshire with parents
Emigrated Australia
Quarrelled with father and changed surname to HILL as did brother Francis Paul (Frank) and, possibly, Cyril
No further information
167. Dorothy GREEN
census details from Mike Short 8.4.2006
1901 Cen. Living 142 Murdoch Road, Handsworth, Staffordshire with parents
Emigrated Australia
No further information
168. Raymond GREEN
census details from Mike Short 8.4.2006
1901 Cen. Living 142 Murdoch Road, Handsworth, Staffordshire with parents
Emigrated Australia
No further information
169. Hilda GREEN
census details from Mike Short 8.4.2006
1901 Cen. Living 142 Murdoch Road, Handsworth, Staffordshire with parents
Emigrated Australia
No further information
email from Virginia Stokes 28/12/2004
provided middle name
Alfred had a tinning business in Birmingham and acted in and produced amateur theatrical shows. He went to Belgium with one of his shows and fell off his bicycle while riding a tight rope. He married Agnes Emily White and had 9 children. He died in 1911 aged 65.1851 census
Not far away lived Thomas SHORT at 44, Sheep St. (Ref: 2054/183/21)
44, Sheep St. (near Gosta Green)
Head, Thomas SHORT, aged 25 Iron Castor, born Birmingham, Warwickshire
Wife, Emily, aged 26, born Warwickshire, Birmingham.
Son, Alfred, aged 5, born Warwickshire, Birmingham
Daughter, Emily, aged 3, born Warwickshire, Birmingham
Son Thomas, aged 1, born Warwickshire, Birmingham
(Thomas and Emily seem to have got married about 1845 or 46).email Mike Short 8.4.2006 orig research Virginia STOKES, and others
1861 Cen. living 70 Legge Street, Aston, Birmingham with parents1871 Cen. Living Front House, Allesley Street with wife and children Harry J & Francis Thomas (Frank). Occupation: Tinner
KF's 1881 census details
1881 census
89 Clifton Rd, Aston, Warwick, England
PRO Ref RG11 Piece/Folio 3043/81 Page 10
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Alfred SHORT Head M Male 35 B'Ham, Warwick, England Tinner
Agnes SHORT Wife M Female 34 Gloucester, Gloucester, England
Harry SHORT Son Male 12 Aston, Warwick, England Scholar
Frank SHORT Son Male 10 B'Ham, Warwick, England Scholar
Ada SHORT Daur Female 8 Aston, Warwick, England Scholar
Lillian SHORT Daur Female 6 Aston, Warwick, England Scholar
Clara SHORT Daur Female 3 Aston, Warwick, England
Agnes SHORT Daur Female 1 Aston, Warwick, England1891 Cen. Living Upper Sutton St, Aston Manor with wife; children Harry J - tinner, Francis Thomas (Frank) - Tinner, Ada Emily - Warehouse girl, Lilian Harriet - Silver Burnisher, Clara Margaret, Agnes ?Florence?, Alfred Dudley & Elsie May
1901 Cen. Living 119 Leonard Road, Handsworth with wife; children Alfred Dudley - Solicitor’s clerk, Elsie May - Clerk ….., & Constance Mary
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He married Agnes Emily White and had 9 children.email from Mike Short 8.4.2006
1871 Cen. Living Front House, Allesley Street with husband and children Harry J & Francis Thomas (Frank). Husband’s ccupation: TinnerKF 1881 census
89 Clifton Rd, Aston, Warwick, England
PRO Ref RG11 Piece/Folio 3043/81 Page 10
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Alfred SHORT Head M Male 35 B'Ham, Warwick, England Tinner
Agnes SHORT Wife M Female 34 Gloucester, Gloucester, England
Harry SHORT Son Male 12 Aston, Warwick, England Scholar
Frank SHORT Son Male 10 B'Ham, Warwick, England Scholar
Ada SHORT Daur Female 8 Aston, Warwick, England Scholar
Lillian SHORT Daur Female 6 Aston, Warwick, England Scholar
Clara SHORT Daur Female 3 Aston, Warwick, England
Agnes SHORT Daur Female 1 Aston, Warwick, Englandemail from Mike Short 8.4.2006
1891 Cen. Living Upper Sutton St, Aston Manor with husband - self-employed tinner & founder; children Harry J - tinner, Francis Thomas (Frank) - Tinner, Ada Emily - Warehouse girl, Lilian Harriet - Silver Burnisher, Clara Margaret, Agnes Florence, Alfred Dudley & Elsie May
1901 Cen. Living 119 Leonard Road, Handsworth with husband; children Alfred Dudley - Solicitor’s clerk, Elsie May - Clerk ….., & Constance Mary
10 May 1911 death of Alfred Joseph bur. Handsworth New Cemy
176. Alfred Dudley SHORT
email from Mike Short 8.4.2006
1891 Cen. Living Upper Sutton St, Aston Manor with parents
1901 Cen. Living 119 Leonard Road, Handsworth with parents. Occupation: Solicitor’s clerk,
m. Violet b. abt 1887
178. Constance Mary SHORT
Known as Connie
email from Virginia Stokes 30/12/2004
"Elsie came to Australia with her youngest sister Connie in 1926. Connie died about 1950. Their older sister Agnes was already living here and died about 1936. They were the only three of Alfred and Agnes Short's 9 children who emigrated to Australia. To date Elsie May Short has 11 living descendants in Australia"
45. Thomas SHORT
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1851 Cen. Living 44 Sheep Street, Aston, Birmingham with parents1861 Cen. living 70 Legge Street, Aston, Birmingham with parents
1871 Cen. Living 28 Digby Street, Birmingham St Mary with wife. Occupation: Caster
KF's 1881 census
112 Steelhouse Lane, Birmingham, Warwick, England
PRO Ref RG11 Piece/Folio 3000/83 Page 21
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Thomas SHORT Head M Male 30 Birmingham Licenced Victualer
Eliza SHORT Wife M Female 28 Hatfield, Hereford, England
Anny Elizth. SHORT Daur U Female 9 Birmingham Scholar
Nellie SHORT Daur U Female 7 Birmingham Scholar
Thomas SHORT Son U Male 4 Birmingham Scholar
Emily A. SHORT Daur U Female 2 Birmingham1891 Cen. Living at ‘The Bull’s Head’ public house, 110 Moland Street, Birmingham St, Mary with wife; children Amy Elizabeth - Barmaid, Nellie - Pen ?slitter?, Thomas H - Cabinet Maker & Emily A.
1901 Cen. Thomas & wife Eliza have moved in with daughter Amy Elizabeth who has married Thomas BULLOCK b. 1864/5, a Chair Finisher, and their son Thomas. In the house next door to The Bulls Head, number 115, Thomas SHORT (sen) is back to his original occupation of Iron Caster. Meanwhile, his son Thomas H and daughter Emily A are next door managing the pub.
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1871 Cen. Living 28 Digby Street, Birmingham St Mary with husband - CasterKF's 1881 census
112 Steelhouse Lane, Birmingham, Warwick, England
PRO Ref RG11 Piece/Folio 3000/83 Page 21
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Thomas SHORT Head M Male 30 Birmingham Licenced Victualer
Eliza SHORT Wife M Female 28 Hatfield, Hereford, England
Anny Elizth. SHORT Daur U Female 9 Birmingham Scholar
Nellie SHORT Daur U Female 7 Birmingham Scholar
Thomas SHORT Son U Male 4 Birmingham Scholar
Emily A. SHORT Daur U Female 2 Birminghamemail from Mike Short 8.4.2006
1891 Cen. Living at ‘The Bull’s Head’ public house, 110 Moland Street, Birmingham St, Mary with husband; children Amy Elizabeth - Barmaid, Nellie - Pen ?slitter?, Thomas H - Cabinet Maker & Emily A.1901 Cen. Eliza and husband- iron caster, have moved in with daughter Amy Elizabeth who has married Thomas BULLOCK b. 1864/5, a Chair Finisher, and their son Thomas. In the house next door to The Bulls Head, number 115. Meanwhile, son Thomas H and daughter Emily A are next door managing the pub.
179. Amy Elizabeth SHORT
KF's 1881 census
112 Steelhouse Lane, Birmingham, Warwick, England
PRO Ref RG11 Piece/Folio 3000/83 Page 21
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Thomas SHORT Head M Male 30 Birmingham Licenced Victualer
Eliza SHORT Wife M Female 28 Hatfield, Hereford, England
Anny Elizth. SHORT Daur U Female 9 Birmingham Scholar
Nellie SHORT Daur U Female 7 Birmingham Scholar
Thomas SHORT Son U Male 4 Birmingham Scholar
Emily A. SHORT Daur U Female 2 Birminghamemail Mike Short 8.4.2006 orig research Virginia STOKES, and others
1891 Cen. Living at ‘The Bull’s Head’ public house, 110 Moland Street, Birmingham St. Mary parish with parents. Occupation: Barmaid1901 Cen. Thomas & wife Eliza have moved in with daughter Amy Elizabeth who has married Thomas BULLOCK b. 1864/5, a Chair Finisher, and their son Thomas. In the house next door to The Bulls Head, number 115, Thomas SHORT (sen) is back to his original occupation of Iron Caster. Meanwhile, his son Thomas H and daughter Emily A are next door managing the pub.
email Mike Short 8.4.2006 orig research Virginia STOKES, and others
1901 Cen. Thomas & wife Eliza have moved in with daughter Amy Elizabeth who has married Thomas BULLOCK b. 1864/5, a Chair Finisher, and their son Thomas. In the house next door to The Bulls Head, number 115, Thomas SHORT (sen) is back to his original occupation of Iron Caster. Meanwhile, his son Thomas H and daughter Emily A are next door managing the pub.
181. Thomas H SHORT
KF's 1881 census
112 Steelhouse Lane, Birmingham, Warwick, England
PRO Ref RG11 Piece/Folio 3000/83 Page 21
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Thomas SHORT Head M Male 30 Birmingham Licenced Victualer
Eliza SHORT Wife M Female 28 Hatfield, Hereford, England
Anny Elizth. SHORT Daur U Female 9 Birmingham Scholar
Nellie SHORT Daur U Female 7 Birmingham Scholar
Thomas SHORT Son U Male 4 Birmingham Scholar
Emily A. SHORT Daur U Female 2 Birminghamemail Mike Short 8.4.2006
1891 Cen. Living at ‘The Bull’s Head’ public house, 110 Moland Street, Birmingham St. Mary parish with parents. Occupation: cabinet Maker1901 Cen. Living at ‘The Bull’s Head’ public house, 110 Moland Street, Birmingham St. Mary parish. Running the pub with his sister Emily. Parents have moved to next door at 115 Moland Street with sister Amy Elizabeth - now married.
182. Emily A SHORT
KF's 1881 census
112 Steelhouse Lane, Birmingham, Warwick, England
PRO Ref RG11 Piece/Folio 3000/83 Page 21
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Thomas SHORT Head M Male 30 Birmingham Licenced Victualer
Eliza SHORT Wife M Female 28 Hatfield, Hereford, England
Anny Elizth. SHORT Daur U Female 9 Birmingham Scholar
Nellie SHORT Daur U Female 7 Birmingham Scholar
Thomas SHORT Son U Male 4 Birmingham Scholar
Emily A. SHORT Daur U Female 2 Birminghamemail Mike Short 8.4.2006
1891 Cen. Living at ‘The Bull’s Head’ public house, 110 Moland Street, Birmingham St. Mary parish with parents.
1901 Cen. Living at ‘The Bull’s Head’ public house, 110 Moland Street, Birmingham St. Mary parish. Running the pub with her brother Thomas H. Parents have moved to next door at 115 Moland Street with sister Amy Elizabeth - now married
48. Selina Ann SHORT
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1861 Cen. living 70 Legge Street, Aston, Birmingham with parents1871 Cen. Living with parents at ‘Gothic Villas’ next to the Wesleyan Chapel on Kingsbury Road, Erdington, Aston, Birmingham and shown as an assistant in the family business (Iron Foundry?)
m. 1877 SH4.1A.3.6A John Joseph JONES b. 1844 Birmingham, Brass FounderKF's 1881 census
69 Moland St, Birmingham, Warwick, England
PRO Ref RG11 Piece/Folio 3001/91 Page 24
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
John Joseph JONES Head M Male 37 Birmingham, Warwick, England Brass Founder
Selina Ann JONES Wife M Female 25 Birmingham, Warwick, England
Selina Gerte.Kate JONES Daur U Female 3 Birmingham, Warwick, England
Drenedla Dora JONES Daur U Female 1 Birmingham, Warwick, England
Kate GRADY Sister U Female 18 Birmingham, Warwick, England Lacquerer
Jane POWELL Serv U Female 29 Wolverhampton, Stafford, England Serv (Dom)1891Cen. Living 271 Park Road, Aston Manor with husband, Selina, Gertrude Kate, Drusilla Dora, Maud May & John Joseph
1901 Cen. Living 50 Allesley Street (same street brother Alfred Joseph lived in 1871) with husband now shown as occupation: self-employed traveller; children Selina - Clerk, Dora - C…idge Inspector Fire, Maud - Pen slitter, John - … Worker & Constance
Children: Selina Gertrude Kate JONES b. 1877/8 Birmingham Drusilla Dora JONES b. 1879 Birmingham; Maud Mary JONES b. 1884 Birmingham; John Joseph JONES b. 1885/6 B’ham; Constance Hilda JONES b. 1896/7 Birmingham
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KF's 1881 census
69 Moland St, Birmingham, Warwick, England
PRO Ref RG11 Piece/Folio 3001/91 Page 24
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
John Joseph JONES Head M Male 37 Birmingham, Warwick, England Brass Founder
Selina Ann JONES Wife M Female 25 Birmingham, Warwick, England
Selina Gerte.Kate JONES Daur U Female 3 Birmingham, Warwick, England
Drenedla Dora JONES Daur U Female 1 Birmingham, Warwick, England
Kate GRADY Sister U Female 18 Birmingham, Warwick, England Lacquerer
Jane POWELL Serv U Female 29 Wolverhampton, Stafford, England Serv (Dom)
183. Selina Gertrude Kate JONES
KF's 1881 census
69 Moland St, Birmingham, Warwick, England
PRO Ref RG11 Piece/Folio 3001/91 Page 24
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
John Joseph JONES Head M Male 37 Birmingham, Warwick, England Brass Founder
Selina Ann JONES Wife M Female 25 Birmingham, Warwick, England
Selina Gerte.Kate JONES Daur U Female 3 Birmingham, Warwick, England
Drenedla Dora JONES Daur U Female 1 Birmingham, Warwick, England
Kate GRADY Sister U Female 18 Birmingham, Warwick, England Lacquerer
Jane POWELL Serv U Female 29 Wolverhampton, Stafford, England Serv (Dom)
184. Drenedla Dora JONES
KF's 1881 census
69 Moland St, Birmingham, Warwick, England
PRO Ref RG11 Piece/Folio 3001/91 Page 24
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
John Joseph JONES Head M Male 37 Birmingham, Warwick, England Brass Founder
Selina Ann JONES Wife M Female 25 Birmingham, Warwick, England
Selina Gerte.Kate JONES Daur U Female 3 Birmingham, Warwick, England
Drenedla Dora JONES Daur U Female 1 Birmingham, Warwick, England
Kate GRADY Sister U Female 18 Birmingham, Warwick, England Lacquerer
Jane POWELL Serv U Female 29 Wolverhampton, Stafford, England Serv (Dom)
53. Eliza ABBOTT
In the 1851 census for Birmingham the only Emma SHORT I can find who is the right age for our Emma is given thus: (Census Ref. 2061/213/50)
Little Francis St. Aston
Head, Joseph ABBOTT, aged 31, Pearl Button Maker born Birmingham, Warks.
Wife, Mary Ann, aged 22 born Birmingham, Warwickshire
Daughter, Eliza, aged 1 born Birmingham, Warwickshire
Visitor, Emma SHORT, aged 16. born Birmingham, Warwickshire
So it appears that Emma was staying with her sister, Mary Ann ABBOTT on the night of the census.
This census was taken in April of 1851. Little Francis St. ran between Great Lister Street and Lupin St. It was just round the corner from Bloomsburyemail from Mike Short 8.4.2006 original research Lavinia & Geoff ISAAC
1861 Cen. Living ----- John Street, Duddeston & Nechells, Aston with parents
1871 Cen. Living 123 Cattell Road, Bordsley, Aston with parents. Occupation: Machinist
KF's 1881 census
35 Butler St, Aston, Warwick, England
PRO Ref RG11 Piece/Folio 3021/143 Page 47
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
John H. MASON Head M Male 28 Aston Lassett Nail Caster
Eliza MASON Wife M Female 31 Birmingham, Warwick, England
William J. MASON Son Male 4 Birmingham, Warwick, England
George H. MASON Son Male 3 Birmingham, Warwick, England
Florence A. MASON Daur Female 1 Birmingham, Warwick, England
Infant MASON Daur Female 5 d Birmingham, Warwick, England
1891 Cen Living 22 South St, Bedminster, Bristol with husband - Railworks Cupola Man; children William J - Solicitor’s Clerk, George H, Mabel L, Eliza, Emily A, Ellen R & Winifred V. (Florence A not present)
1901 not traced
KF's 1881 census
35 Butler St, Aston, Warwick, England
PRO Ref RG11 Piece/Folio 3021/143 Page 47
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
John H. MASON Head M Male 28 Aston Lassett Nail Caster
Eliza MASON Wife M Female 31 Birmingham, Warwick, England
William J. MASON Son Male 4 Birmingham, Warwick, England
George H. MASON Son Male 3 Birmingham, Warwick, England
Florence A. MASON Daur Female 1 Birmingham, Warwick, England
Infant MASON Daur Female 5 d Birmingham, Warwick, Englandemail from Mike Short 8.4.2006 original research Lavinia & Geoff ISAAC
1891 Cen Living 22 South St, Bedminster, Bristol, Somerset with wife; children William J - Solicitor’s Clerk, George H, Mabel L, Eliza, Emily A, Ellen R & Winifred V. (Florence A not present) Occupation: Railworks Cupola Man (a cupola man mixes, prepares and smelts metals for the casters).1901 not traced
185. William James MASON
KF's 1881 census
35 Butler St, Aston, Warwick, England
PRO Ref RG11 Piece/Folio 3021/143 Page 47
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
John H. MASON Head M Male 28 Aston Lassett Nail Caster
Eliza MASON Wife M Female 31 Birmingham, Warwick, England
William J. MASON Son Male 4 Birmingham, Warwick, England
George H. MASON Son Male 3 Birmingham, Warwick, England
Florence A. MASON Daur Female 1 Birmingham, Warwick, England
Infant MASON Daur Female 5 d Birmingham, Warwick, Englandemail from Mike Short 8.4.2006
1891 Cen Living 22 South St, Bedminster, Bristol, Somerset with parents. Occupation: Solicitor’s Clerk
1901 Cen. No trace
186. George Henry MASON
KF's 1881 census
35 Butler St, Aston, Warwick, England
PRO Ref RG11 Piece/Folio 3021/143 Page 47
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
John H. MASON Head M Male 28 Aston Lassett Nail Caster
Eliza MASON Wife M Female 31 Birmingham, Warwick, England
William J. MASON Son Male 4 Birmingham, Warwick, England
George H. MASON Son Male 3 Birmingham, Warwick, England
Florence A. MASON Daur Female 1 Birmingham, Warwick, England
Infant MASON Daur Female 5 d Birmingham, Warwick, Englandemail from Mike Short 8.4.2006
1891 Cen Living 22 South St, Bedminster, Bristol, Somerset with parents.
1901 Cen. No trace
187. Florence A MASON
KF's 1881 census
35 Butler St, Aston, Warwick, England
PRO Ref RG11 Piece/Folio 3021/143 Page 47
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
John H. MASON Head M Male 28 Aston Lassett Nail Caster
Eliza MASON Wife M Female 31 Birmingham, Warwick, England
William J. MASON Son Male 4 Birmingham, Warwick, England
George H. MASON Son Male 3 Birmingham, Warwick, England
Florence A. MASON Daur Female 1 Birmingham, Warwick, England
Infant MASON Daur Female 5 d Birmingham, Warwick, England
188. Mabel L MASON
KF's 1881 census
35 Butler St, Aston, Warwick, England
PRO Ref RG11 Piece/Folio 3021/143 Page 47
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
John H. MASON Head M Male 28 Aston Lassett Nail Caster
Eliza MASON Wife M Female 31 Birmingham, Warwick, England
William J. MASON Son Male 4 Birmingham, Warwick, England
George H. MASON Son Male 3 Birmingham, Warwick, England
Florence A. MASON Daur Female 1 Birmingham, Warwick, England
Infant MASON Daur Female 5 d Birmingham, Warwick, Englandemail from Mike Short 8.4.2006
1891 Cen Living 22 South St, Bedminster, Bristol, Somerset with parents.
1901 Cen. No trace
189. Eliza MASON
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1891 Cen Living 22 South St, Bedminster, Bristol, Somerset with parents.
1901 Cen. No trace
190. Emily A MASON
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1891 Cen Living 22 South St, Bedminster, Bristol, Somerset with parents.
1901 Cen. No trace
191. Ellen R MASON
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1891 Cen Living 22 South St, Bedminster, Bristol, Somerset with parents.
1901 Cen. No trace
192. Winifred V MASON
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1891 Cen Living 22 South St, Bedminster, Bristol, Somerset with parents.
1901 Cen. No trace
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1861 Cen. Living ----- John Street, Duddeston & Nechells, Aston with parents
1871 Cen. Living 123 Cattell Road, Bordsley, Aston with parents. Occupation: Pearl Button FinisherKF's 1881 census
115 Cattell Rd, Aston, Warwick, England
PRO RG11 Piece/Folio 3023/101 Page 9
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Joseph ABBOTT Head M Male 50 Birmingham, Warwick, England Pearl Button Maker
Mary Ann ABBOTT Wife M Female 52 Birmingham, Warwick, England
Emma ABBOTT Dau U Female 29 Birmingham, Warwick, England
Florence ABBOTT Dau Female 14 Birmingham, Warwick, England
Albert J. ABBOTT Son Male 12 Birmingham, Warwick, England Scholar
Eliza ABBOTT Dau Female 7 Birmingham, Warwick, England Scholar1891. Cen. Living at 17 Abbey Street, Rhuddlan, Rhyl, Flintshire, Wales with daughter, parents, brother Albert Joseph.
1901 not traced
1881 census
115 Cattell Rd, Aston, Warwick, England
PRO RG11 Piece/Folio 3023/101 Page 9
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Joseph ABBOTT Head M Male 50 Birmingham, Warwick, England Pearl Button Maker
Mary Ann ABBOTT Wife M Female 52 Birmingham, Warwick, England
Emma ABBOTT Dau U Female 29 Birmingham, Warwick, England
Florence ABBOTT Dau Female 14 Birmingham, Warwick, England
Albert J. ABBOTT Son Male 12 Birmingham, Warwick, England Scholar
Eliza ABBOTT Dau Female 7 Birmingham, Warwick, England ScholarThere is 7 year old Eliza b. Birmingham who is described ‘daughter’ but is almost certainly the child of unmarried daughter Emma
55. Rosina ABBOTT
email from Mike Short 8.4.2006 original research Lavinia & Geoff ISAAC
1861 Cen. Living ----- John Street, Duddeston & Nechells, Aston with parents
1871 Cen. Living 123 Cattell Road, Bordsley, Aston with parents. Occupation: domestic work
KF's 1881 census
1 Court 17 House St Andrews Rd, Aston, Warwick, England
PRO Ref RG11 Piece/Folio 3023/24 Page 41
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Charles FIGURES Head M Male 25 Birmingham, Warwick, England Engine Driver At Factory
Rosina FIGURES Wife M Female 25 Birmingham, Warwick, England1891 living 23 South Street, Bedminster, Bristol with husband - Nail Caster, child William Charles. Child, Lilian Rose has died 1891.
1901 Cen Living at 23 South Street, Bedminster, Bristol with husband - nail Caster; son William Charles A - Apprentice Chair Maker 1 Feb 1915 death of Charles FIGURES, Bristol
KF's 1881 census
1 Court 17 House St Andrews Rd, Aston, Warwick, England
PRO Ref RG11 Piece/Folio 3023/24 Page 41
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Charles FIGURES Head M Male 25 Birmingham, Warwick, England Engine Driver At Factory
Rosina FIGURES Wife M Female 25 Birmingham, Warwick, Englandemail from Mike Short 8.4.2006
1891 living 23 South Street, Bedminster, Bristol with wife; child William Charles. Occupation: Nail Caster. Child, Lilian Rose has died 1891.
1901 Cen Living at 23 South Street, Bedminster, Bristol with wife; child - son William Charles - Apprentice Chair Maker. Occupation: Nail Caster
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1861 Cen. Living 3 Williams Buildings, 131 Northumberland Street, Duddeston & Nechells, Aston, Birmingham with parents1871 Cen. Living 169 Francis Street with parents. Occupation: Mechanic
m. 1876 Sheffield Annie POTTS b. 1857 London/Middlesex1881 Cen. living 68 Broadfield Park Road, Eccleshall Bierlow, Sheffield, former West Riding of Yorkshire with wife and children Annie Mary & William James. Occupation Malleable Iron Caster
1891 Cen. Living 11 Hope Steet, Lockwood, Huddersfield, West Riding of Yorkshire with wife and children, Annie Mary, William James, Ernest & Ellen
1901 Cen. Living 6 Church Street, Elland, West Riding of Yorkshire with children Annie Mary - telephone operator, Ernest - boot finisher, & Ellen. Note: James’s wife Annie is not present nor is his son William James and have not yet been traced on 1901 Cen.
Children: Annie Mary SHORT b. 1877/78 Sheffield, Yorkshire
William James SHORT b. 1879/80 Sheffield, Yorkshire
Ernest SHORT b. 1885/6 Huddersfield, Yorkshire
Ellen SHORT b. Mar 1890 Huddersfield, Yorkshire
census details
1861 Cen. Living 3 Williams Buildings, 131 Northumberland Street, Duddeston & Nechells, Aston, Birmingham with parents1871 Cen. Living 169 Francis Street with parents
KF's 1881 census
56 Langdon St, Ecclesall Bierlow, York, England
PRO RG11 Piece/Folio 4638/94 Page 8
Name Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation
William SHORT M Male 49 B Ham, Warwick, England Malleable Iron Founder
Jane SHORT M Female 48 Kempsey, Worcester, England
John E. SHORT U Male 20 B Ham, Warwick, England Malleable Iron Caster
Mary A.M. SHORT U Female 11 B Ham, Warwick, England Scholar
William H. SHORT Male 9 B Ham, Warwick, England Scholar1891 Cen. 41 Rufford Road, Ecclehall Bierlow, Sheffield, former West Riding of Yorkshire with wife; children Albert Edward & Sydney. Occupation: Malleable Iron Caster
betw 189- & 1900 lived Meersbrook, Derbyshire
1901 Cen. 114 Valley Road, Norton, Derbyshire with wife;
children
Albert Edward SHORT b. 1889/90 Norton, Derbyshire;
Sydney SHORT b. 1890/1 Sheffield, former West Riding of Yorkshire;
Harry SHORT b. 1894/5 Meerbrook, Derbyshire;
Herbert SHORT b. 1900/1 Meerbrook, Derbyshire
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1871 Cen. Living 169 Francis Street with wife Mary Ann; children James Thomas - mechanic, John Edward, Martha Elizabeth, Ellen Elizabeth & Mary Ann Maria. William’s occupation: Iron Founder
1881 Cen. General Domestic Servant living 108 Whitwam Street, Nether Hallam, Sheffield
1891 Cen. Living 49 Harrington Street, Eccleshall Bierlow, Sheffield with husband - Club Porter; children Julia H & Beatrice H. Child Lily SHORT with Martha Elizabeth’s parents
1901 Cen: living 56 Chesterfield Road, Norton, Derbyshire with husband - Gentleman’s Club Waiter; children
Lily Julia H - General Domestic Servant,
Beatrice H,
George E,
Alice M,
Albert E
HoraceKF 1881 census
108 Whitham Rd, Nether Hallam, York, England
PRO Ref RG11 Piece/Folio 4627/76 Page 1
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Mary BENTLEY Head W Female 73 West Mulling, Kent, England Annuitant
Emily BENTLEY Daur U Female 34 Cambridge, Cambridge, England
Elizabeth FENTIMAN Sister U Female 75 West Mulling, Kent, England Annuitant
Martha SHORT Serv U Female 18 Birmingham, Warwick, England General Servant (Dom)
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1871 Cen. Living 169 Francis Street, Birmingham with parents1881 Cen. Living 56 Langdon Street, Ecclehall Bierlow, Sheffield, Yorkshire with father and stepmother
KF's 1881 census
56 Langdon St, Ecclesall Bierlow, York, England
PRO RG11 Piece/Folio 4638/94 Page 8
Name Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation
William SHORT M Male 49 B Ham, Warwick, England Malleable Iron Founder
Jane SHORT M Female 48 Kempsey, Worcester, England
John E. SHORT U Male 20 B Ham, Warwick, England Malleable Iron Caster
Mary A.M. SHORT U Female 11 B Ham, Warwick, England Scholar
William H. SHORT Male 9 B Ham, Warwick, England Scholar
1891 Cen. Living 96 Albert Road, Heeley, Nether Hallam, Sheffield with father and stemother .1901 Cen. Living 20 Chantry Road, Norton, Derbyshire with husband - Highway Labourer; children
Ann HODGE b. 1892/3 Norton, Derbyshire;
William HODGE b. 1894/5 Norton, Derbyshire;
Harry HODGE b. 1898/9 Norton, Derbyshire;
Elsie HODGE b. 1900 Norton, Derbyshire (6 months at Cen.)