160. Herbert William (Bert) GREEN
6 children?
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1881 Cen. Living 1 Mount Terrace, Cattell Road, Aston (father wrongly enumerated as James GREEN) with parents
1891 Cen. Living 19 Grove Terrace, Handsworth, Staffordshire with parents
1901 Cen. Living 142 Murdoch Road, Handsworth, Staffordshire with parents. Occupation: Gunmaker Driller Miller
Children known to have included Bernard Francis GREEN but no further information.
170. Harry Joseph SHORT
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1871 Cen. Living Front House, Allesley Street with parentsKF 1881 census
89 Clifton Rd, Aston, Warwick, England
PRO Ref RG11 Piece/Folio 3043/81 Page 10
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Alfred SHORT Head M Male 35 B'Ham, Warwick, England Tinner
Agnes SHORT Wife M Female 34 Gloucester, Gloucester, England
Harry SHORT Son Male 12 Aston, Warwick, England Scholar
Frank SHORT Son Male 10 B'Ham, Warwick, England Scholar
Ada SHORT Daur Female 8 Aston, Warwick, England Scholar
Lillian SHORT Daur Female 6 Aston, Warwick, England Scholar
Clara SHORT Daur Female 3 Aston, Warwick, England
Agnes SHORT Daur Female 1 Aston, Warwick, Englandemail from Mike Short 8.4.2006
1891 Cen. Living Upper Sutton St, Aston Manor with parents. Occupation: Tinner
1901 Cen. living 200 Clifton Road, Aston Manor, Birmingham with wife; children Harry Lesley & Frank b. 1898/9 Aston
Note: in 1901 at 204 Clifton Road there are a family of PARSONS - Joseph & Lucy and children
Children: Harry Leslie SHORT b. 1894/5 Aston; Frank SHORT b. 1898/9 Aston, d. aged 18; SH6.1A.3.1.1.3 Dora SHORT. Dora’s birthdate has been given to me as 1899 but no trace on 1901 census and poss. b. later. She m. an unknown newsagent, no children, d. 1981Harry Leslie SHORT m(1) Ida b. 1896 who d. cancer. They had one child Daphne SHORT b. 1920 who died young of cancer. Harry Leslie SHORT m(2) Mary b. c. 1894
285. Frank SHORT
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286. Dora SHORT
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Dora’s birthdate has been given to me as 1899 but no trace on 1901 census and poss. b. later. She m. an unknown newsagent, no children, d. 1981
171. Francis Thomas SHORT
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known as Frank
1871 Cen. Living Front House, Allesley Street with parents1881 census
89 Clifton Rd, Aston, Warwick, England
PRO Ref RG11 Piece/Folio 3043/81 Page 10
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Alfred SHORT Head M Male 35 B'Ham, Warwick, England Tinner
Agnes SHORT Wife M Female 34 Gloucester, Gloucester, England
Harry SHORT Son Male 12 Aston, Warwick, England Scholar
Frank SHORT Son Male 10 B'Ham, Warwick, England Scholar
Ada SHORT Daur Female 8 Aston, Warwick, England Scholar
Lillian SHORT Daur Female 6 Aston, Warwick, England Scholar
Clara SHORT Daur Female 3 Aston, Warwick, England
Agnes SHORT Daur Female 1 Aston, Warwick, Englandemail from Mike Short 8.4.2006
1891 Cen. Living Upper Sutton St, Aston Manor with parents. Occupation: Tinner
1901 Cen living with wife at 94 Sheffield Road, Sutton Coldfield. Occupation: Tinner of Iron …. Goods
Children: Hilda Ann SHORT b. 1901 Sutton Coldfield; Doris Marion E SHORT b. 1903 Sutton Coldfield
172. Ada Emily SHORT
KF 1881 census
89 Clifton Rd, Aston, Warwick, England
PRO Ref RG11 Piece/Folio 3043/81 Page 10
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Alfred SHORT Head M Male 35 B'Ham, Warwick, England Tinner
Agnes SHORT Wife M Female 34 Gloucester, Gloucester, England
Harry SHORT Son Male 12 Aston, Warwick, England Scholar
Frank SHORT Son Male 10 B'Ham, Warwick, England Scholar
Ada SHORT Daur Female 8 Aston, Warwick, England Scholar
Lillian SHORT Daur Female 6 Aston, Warwick, England Scholar
Clara SHORT Daur Female 3 Aston, Warwick, England
Agnes SHORT Daur Female 1 Aston, Warwick, Englandemail from Mike Short 8.4.2006
1891 Cen. Living Upper Sutton St, Aston Manor with parents. Occupation: Warehouse girl
1901 Cen. living 5 Milson Road, Handsworth with wife and daughter, Constance Lilian. Occupation: Lithographic printer
Children: Constance Lilian JELLIS b. 1900 Handsworth, Staffordshire; Winifred Annie JELLIS b. 1903, Birmingham; Alfred Victor JELLIS b. 1907 Bristol; SH6.1A.3.1.3.4 John JELLIS b. poss 1913 Bristol
173. Lilian Harriet SHORT
KF 1881 census
89 Clifton Rd, Aston, Warwick, England
PRO Ref RG11 Piece/Folio 3043/81 Page 10
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Alfred SHORT Head M Male 35 B'Ham, Warwick, England Tinner
Agnes SHORT Wife M Female 34 Gloucester, Gloucester, England
Harry SHORT Son Male 12 Aston, Warwick, England Scholar
Frank SHORT Son Male 10 B'Ham, Warwick, England Scholar
Ada SHORT Daur Female 8 Aston, Warwick, England Scholar
Lillian SHORT Daur Female 6 Aston, Warwick, England Scholar
Clara SHORT Daur Female 3 Aston, Warwick, England
Agnes SHORT Daur Female 1 Aston, Warwick, Englandemail from Mike Short 8.4.2006
1891 Cen. Living Upper Sutton St, Aston Manor with parents. Occupation: Silver Burnisher
1901 Cen. Living with husband at 9 Headingly Road, Handsworth with husband.
Children: Ronald Archie BILL b. 1902 Handsworth; Peter BILL b. sometime after 1903; Robert BILL b. sometime after 1903
294. Peter BILL
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295. Robert BILL
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174. Clara Margaret SHORT
KF 1881 census
89 Clifton Rd, Aston, Warwick, England
PRO Ref RG11 Piece/Folio 3043/81 Page 10
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Alfred SHORT Head M Male 35 B'Ham, Warwick, England Tinner
Agnes SHORT Wife M Female 34 Gloucester, Gloucester, England
Harry SHORT Son Male 12 Aston, Warwick, England Scholar
Frank SHORT Son Male 10 B'Ham, Warwick, England Scholar
Ada SHORT Daur Female 8 Aston, Warwick, England Scholar
Lillian SHORT Daur Female 6 Aston, Warwick, England Scholar
Clara SHORT Daur Female 3 Aston, Warwick, England
Agnes SHORT Daur Female 1 Aston, Warwick, Englandemail from Mike Short 8.4.2006
1891 Cen. Living Upper Sutton St, Aston Manor with parents.1901 Cen. Living 15 Fern Road, Erdington, Tamworth, Nr Birmingham with husband - general toolmaker.
Children: Stanley Victor LAWRENCE b. 1900, Erdington, Tamworth, d. 1975, m. Phyllis SHEFFIELD b. abt 1905
Edna Margaret LAWRENCE b. 1910 Coventry, d. 2001 m. HOBBINS b. abt. 1899;
Gwendoline Irene LAWRENCE b. 1912, d 1996 Dudley;
Joyce LAWRENCE b. 1917, d. 1978, m. George MORRIS
175. Agnes Florence SHORT
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"Elsie came to Australia with her youngest sister Connie in 1926. Connie died about 1950. Their older sister Agnes was already living here and died about 1936. They were the only three of Alfred and Agnes Short's 9 children who emigrated to Australia. To date Elsie May Short has 11 living descendants in Australia"KF 1881 census
89 Clifton Rd, Aston, Warwick, England
PRO Ref RG11 Piece/Folio 3043/81 Page 10
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Alfred SHORT Head M Male 35 B'Ham, Warwick, England Tinner
Agnes SHORT Wife M Female 34 Gloucester, Gloucester, England
Harry SHORT Son Male 12 Aston, Warwick, England Scholar
Frank SHORT Son Male 10 B'Ham, Warwick, England Scholar
Ada SHORT Daur Female 8 Aston, Warwick, England Scholar
Lillian SHORT Daur Female 6 Aston, Warwick, England Scholar
Clara SHORT Daur Female 3 Aston, Warwick, England
Agnes SHORT Daur Female 1 Aston, Warwick, England1891 Cen. Living Upper Sutton St, Aston Manor with parents
1901 Cen. Living 119 Leonard Road, Handsworth with parents. Occupation: Jeweller’s Clerk
Children: Reginald Howard FOSTER b. 1904 England;
Muriel FOSTER b. 1906 England, m. Percival SAYERS b. abt. 1903 New South Wales, Australia;
Marjorie Lilian FOSTER b. 1912 Australia, d. 1938, m. Henry FORD b. abt. 1910 New South Wales, Australia;
Ronald FOSTER b. 1919 New South Wales, Australia
177. Elsie May SHORT
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provided name, year of death and age.
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gave married name of Elsie Mayemail from Mike Short 8.4.2006
1891 Cen. Living Upper Sutton St, Aston Manor with parents.
1901 Cen. Living 119 Leonard Road, Handsworth with parents.
Children: Living children -information withheldFrom Virginia STOKES: Lillian, Elsie's sister used to say that Elsie was different from the other children. She put it down to the French connection. Elsie's gggrandmother on her mother's side was French and used to go dancing when in her 90s. Elsie proved them right she outlived her siblings by many years. Just before the Great Depression Elsie's husband left for Canada and never returned. The family was quite poor as a result and Elsie sublet rooms and did dress making to support the family. In 1932 Elsie was accidentally shot by a .22 or pea rifle at a fun fair. She was taken to hospital to have the bullet removed from her thigh. It just missed her 3 year old son's head.
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provided nameVirginia Stokes - GR - 31.8.2008
known as: William George Stokes
Occupation: Automobile mechanic, chauffeur, Policeman
William was illegitimate, an only child. His mother left him in the care of an elderly woman who died when William was 7. He went to live with his grandparents and worked as an assistant thatcher after completing school. He then trained as a motor mechanic which was his main occupation. He served with the Canadian Expeditionary Force in world War 1 and travelled the world working as a ships engineer. He lived in Palestine, England , New York , Australia, Canada and India.
180. Nellie SHORT
KF's 1881 census
112 Steelhouse Lane, Birmingham, Warwick, England
PRO Ref RG11 Piece/Folio 3000/83 Page 21
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Thomas SHORT Head M Male 30 Birmingham Licenced Victualer
Eliza SHORT Wife M Female 28 Hatfield, Hereford, England
Anny Elizth. SHORT Daur U Female 9 Birmingham Scholar
Nellie SHORT Daur U Female 7 Birmingham Scholar
Thomas SHORT Son U Male 4 Birmingham Scholar
Emily A. SHORT Daur U Female 2 Birminghamemail Mike Short 8.4.2006
1891 Cen. Living at ‘The Bull’s Head’ public house, 110 Moland Street, Birmingham St. Mary parish with parents. Occupation: Pen ?slitter?1901 Cen. Living Number 2 back 90 Station Road, Erdington, Birmingham with husband - coal merchant’s clerk; & child Howard George FAULKNER b. 1899 Birmingham Note: Nellie transcribed as aged 24 by Ancestry but image shows 27
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1901 Cen. Living Number 2 back 90 Station Road, Erdington, Birmingham with husband - coal merchant’s clerk; & child Howard George FAULKNER b. 1899 Birmingham Note: Nellie transcribed as aged 24 by Ancestry but image shows 27
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1901 Cen. Living Number 2 back 90 Station Road, Erdington, Birmingham with husband - coal merchant’s clerk; & child Howard George FAULKNER b. 1899 Birmingham Note: Nellie transcribed as aged 24 by Ancestry but image shows 27
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1891 living 23 South Street, Bedminster, Bristol with parents
1901 Cen Living at 23 South Street, Bedminster, Bristol with parents. Occupation: Apprentice Chair Maker
226. Eliza (Elizabeth) Clara ENSELL
On the 1891 census, (RG12 2376 2+) Henry and Eliza are given as living at 27, Upper Ryland Road (The Bell Barn Tavern), in Edgbaston Ward, in the Eccl. District of St. Asaph.The entry is as follows:
Henry Ensell, Head. aged 36. Beer House Keeper, b. Birmingham
Elizabeth ", Wife. aged 30.
Elizabeth ", Daughter, aged 9, Scholar
Henry ", Son, aged 7,
Leah ", Daughter, aged 5, "
Albert ", Son, aged 3,On the 1901 census, taken Sunday 31 March, PRO 13/2832, Folio 56, Page 7 the EnselIs were still living at 27, Upper Ryland Road (the Bellbarn Tavern) and Henry is still running the pub. The entry is as follows:
Henry Ensell, Head aged 45, Beer Retailer Pub. 'own account" b. Bham, Wa.
Elzbth " ,Wife, aged 41, -
Henry " ,Son, aged 17, Clay Pipe Maker. Earth.
Elzbth " .Daughter, aged 19,
Albert " ,Son, aged 13, School,
Lily " .daughter, aged 15,
Clara " , daughter, aged 8,
Rose " , daughter, aged 5
NB No trades are given for daughters Elizabeth and Lily as they probably helped out in the pub. Henry has become a bit younger on this census. Lily was named 'Leah' on the earlier census; the name was probably dropped as too Jewish or not liked.Elizabeth Clara married David Flynn on 11 Dec 1920 in King's Norton. He, a bedstead manufacturer who died 22 Aug 1933. One child: Norah Mary. She was a bright girl who gained a university education (Birmingham) and acted as an interpreter during the 2nd war.
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227. Henry William ENSELL
On the 1891 census, (RG12 2376 2+) Henry and Eliza are given as living at 27, Upper Ryland Road (The Bell Barn Tavern), in Edgbaston Ward, in the Eccl. District of St. Asaph.The entry is as follows:
Henry Ensell, Head. aged 36. Beer House Keeper, b. Birmingham
Elizabeth ", Wife. aged 30.
Elizabeth ", Daughter, aged 9, Scholar
Henry ", Son, aged 7,
Leah ", Daughter, aged 5, "
Albert ", Son, aged 3,On the 1901 census, taken Sunday 31 March, PRO 13/2832, Folio 56, Page 7 the EnselIs were still living at 27, Upper Ryland Road (the Bellbarn Tavern) and Henry is still running the pub. The entry is as follows:
Henry Ensell, Head aged 45, Beer Retailer Pub. 'own account" b. Bham, Wa.
Elzbth " ,Wife, aged 41, -
Henry " ,Son, aged 17, Clay Pipe Maker. Earth.
Elzbth " .Daughter, aged 19,
Albert " ,Son, aged 13, School,
Lily " .daughter, aged 15,
Clara " , daughter, aged 8,
Rose " , daughter, aged 5
NB No trades are given for daughters Elizabeth and Lily as they probably helped out in the pub. Henry has become a bit younger on this census. Lily was named 'Leah' on the earlier census; the name was probably dropped as too Jewish or not liked.